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#288773 - 06/05/10 09:07 AM
Passing the torch ... or joining the race
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Senior Member
Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
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I have a fakebook that I got in the early seventies, and inside the front cover there is a message to the musicians of the day. It read something like: Today's brides are 20-something and listen to a brand of pop music that may not be YOUR bag ... if you want to work in the industry, you better know songs like "Proud Mary" or you will loose this valuable demographic.
That same advice is valid today - to be lucky enough to play music for money is not only a privilege, but a responsibility. The end result of any performance should be client satisfaction when money is involved, and if you intend to work in a fickle environment, such as entertainment – well, you better be flexible!
Since (semi)retiring to teaching, I have learned to savor my performances. I put more thought into what the crowd will want, and although I almost ALWAYS love the selections I choose – the crowd ultimately chooses the songs for me by their responses. It’s an honor to perform for repeat clients, and I look forward to learning even more of the newer, more “today” songs that I can do justice to. With all THAT said … here are a few gems that are on today’s charts (or not too distant relics) that I simply adore playing. Enjoy! (some spellings may be a bit off … I teach MUSIC, not ENGLISH!)lol
Jason Mraz – I’m Yours Colbie Callait – Bubbly, Lucky(w/Jason Mraz) Sarah Barellis – Love Song Taylor Swift – White Horse, Best Day, Our Song, etc … it's ALL popular Rain – Soul Sister (I play this on Uke!) ColdPlay – Viva La Vida Jaimie Cullum – Wheels, any of his standards (this guy isn’t quite the hitmaker that Billy Joel was, but he has all his guts and energy – amazing performer) Maroon V – This Love, Sunday Morning, Won’t Go Home Without You Ingred Michaelson – Take Me The Way I am Zack Brown – Toes, Highway 20 ride(drive) Michael Buble, Haven’t Met You Yet
… this list is growing everyday. Listen to the “kids" stations every now and again – you just might like something! Add a few pop, contemporary tunes to you own bag and see what it does for your universal appeal. These songs are the “Proud Marys” of today – don’t get so wrapped up in your own styles and ignore the passing of time, or you might find yourself out of touch with the crowds that are paying for the music.
Also – research a top40 DJ list once in a while and bring along a few line dance trax to play on your breaks – the single ladies love ‘em and it’ll make you look like a star: Cupid Shuffle is one that you may need to have for a mixed crowd dance party. I’m just sayin’...
Have fun everyone – and remember – it’s why we play in the first place! FUN, fun, fun! (thanx Brian Wilson)
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#288774 - 06/05/10 03:49 PM
Re: Passing the torch ... or joining the race
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7305
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Dave, for entertainers, you're dead on in your observations. That's because the majority of the rewards, other than the financial part come from pleasing your audiences and the resulting positive feedback.
For non-entertainers, it's a little more complicated. That's because the majority of the reward comes from the satisfaction of continuous improvement and the good feeling when you successfully (that means competently) play increasingly challenging material.
Sadly, most non-entertainers, if they stay in the business, end up playing themselves out of a job, or "selling out". In my case, I find satisfaction from producing film and film scores, and choose to play background music at restaurants because of my inability and lack of interest in entertaining. I play "second fiddle" to a ham sandwich, or work for nothing at a jazz club which pays next to nothing.
I wish I were 25% pf the the entertainer you are. I'm not. Therefore, I either have to be satisfied with lots fewer jobs and the ones I get being lower paying, or selling out and playing material I just can't stand. I won't do that....no George Jones...no Jimmy Buffet...EVER, and the list goes on.
Understand, I'm certainly not saying that you're wrong in your approach at all. You're DEAD ON for entertainers. It's just that, for some of us...probably a small number...we can't do it that way. At best, we "sell out" to a certain degree. I certainly do, and I'm not proud of that.
Be well, and enjoy. I actually like some of the Beach Boys music, although, in the very early 60's, with guys like Dick Dale around, the Beach Boys did great nationally, but couldn't get jobs at home. That was not for lack of talent, but some thought they weren't real surfers and didn't play real surf music.
Russ
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 06-05-2010).]
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#288779 - 06/05/10 04:18 PM
Re: Passing the torch ... or joining the race
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7305
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Thing is, I enjoy your stuff, Dave, and I'm sure I would enjoy Diki, if he's anything live like he is on recorded projects.
But, I'd like to point out that I have been able...as skewed towards the musician part as I am, to work at least 4 nights a week for 53 years now, with 9 total weeks off. That's about as much of a "working stiff" as I can imagine.
It would have been a lot easier with a different attitude.
But, that's not me!
Be well, all.
Russ
PS: Absolutely no disagreement here, guys...just a little introspection and wonder if I did the right thing, occasionally.
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#288786 - 06/06/10 01:29 PM
Re: Passing the torch ... or joining the race
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14277
Loc: NW Florida
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Here's a question for Russ, and maybe some other jazz purists out there... What does a tune need, to qualify as a legitimate jumping off point for a jazz exploration? Are there certain complex chords or changes, is there a certain melodic line, or is it simply one of those 'unwritten' rules..? Something that strikes me is, back in the fifties and sixties, as jazz exploded out of the 'dance music' confines it used to have, the players and writers of their day used tunes that were quite contemporary - pop music, with changes no more or less complex than many of today's tunes. But as jazz has increasingly become a niche 'academic' music, it seems contemporary players (or at least the older ones from back in the heyday) are increasingly unwilling to make those contemporary references that, to be honest, got the original jazzers more of a listen back in the day than if they had chosen less popular heads... Jazz is a process, it's a treatment, it's a 'style'. But its' source could quite easily be more contemporary tunes, and possibly, garner a bit more interest from the younger generation when they can recognize the head as being something from THEIR generation. You mentioned a while back about the need to 'educate' your audience as well as just playing to them. But to educate them, first you have to engage them. Don't ignore their generation's music. To be quite honest, I see no difference between taking a fifties pop song and jazzing it up and a 21st century tune and doing the same thing. But I bet a youngster would feel differently! They would be ecstatic...
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#288787 - 06/06/10 06:06 PM
Re: Passing the torch ... or joining the race
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Senior Member
Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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Originally posted by Diki: Here's a question for Russ, and maybe some other jazz purists out there...
What does a tune need, to qualify as a legitimate jumping off point for a jazz exploration? Are there certain complex chords or changes, is there a certain melodic line, or is it simply one of those 'unwritten' rules..?
Something that strikes me is, back in the fifties and sixties, as jazz exploded out of the 'dance music' confines it used to have, the players and writers of their day used tunes that were quite contemporary - pop music, with changes no more or less complex than many of today's tunes. But as jazz has increasingly become a niche 'academic' music, it seems contemporary players (or at least the older ones from back in the heyday) are increasingly unwilling to make those contemporary references that, to be honest, got the original jazzers more of a listen back in the day than if they had chosen less popular heads...
Jazz is a process, it's a treatment, it's a 'style'. But its' source could quite easily be more contemporary tunes, and possibly, garner a bit more interest from the younger generation when they can recognize the head as being something from THEIR generation.
You mentioned a while back about the need to 'educate' your audience as well as just playing to them. But to educate them, first you have to engage them. Don't ignore their generation's music. To be quite honest, I see no difference between taking a fifties pop song and jazzing it up and a 21st century tune and doing the same thing. But I bet a youngster would feel differently! They would be ecstatic... UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree with what he said...
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#288790 - 06/06/10 08:59 PM
Re: Passing the torch ... or joining the race
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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First of all, 'JAZZ' is too general a term to be used in any meaningful way. There is as much difference between Dixieland jazz and bebop and avant garde' jazz and jazz funk and jazz fusion and afro-cuban jazz and and and ....the list goes on. There are different rules for each, including non-improvisational jazz where every single note is scripted (think high school jazz band). It sort of fits Henry Miller's description of porn; "you can't define it, but you recognize it when you see it" (or something to that effect). I guess if you can't handily fit a piece of music into ANY OTHER category, then it must be jazz. Here's another definition; if you can't PLAY it or don't understand it, it must be jazz. Here's another; if it's best played by hollow-eyed junkies, it must be jazz (as opposed to 'regular' addicts, in which case it must be ROCK). BTW, if said junkies have been clean and sober for at least three months, then it must be 'Country' or 'Christian contemporary'. Here is a SURE-FIRE way to know that it ISN'T jazz; and that's if it's played on an arranger . chas
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#288794 - 06/07/10 10:09 AM
Re: Passing the torch ... or joining the race
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7305
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Again, both Diki and Chas make valid points. If nobody listens, it's hard to educate. And, the "catch all" phrase, "jazz" is pretty illusive to define.
"Hitting the pocket", again a pretty overused and ill-defined phrase, is kind of like peeing in a dark pair of pants. You can't see anything, you just get this nice warm feeling.
And that's the point. "Feeling", interpretation and attitude are as much of the definition (if there is one) of jazz as anything.
"Smooth" jazz, in large part, is nothing but 60's thru 80's tunes recorded with a different attitude. We're talking Fatburger, Foreplay and similar groups. For dining rooms, that's my thing, but "dumbed down just a bit so it is not so busy.
Rory and Tommy Emmanuel do not sell themselves as jazz players, but are certainly able to hold their own on a bandstand with the best jazzers around.
Maroon 5 is not a jazz group, but I certainly enjoy playing their material.
Traditional big-band jazz is certainly jazz, but , while I occasionally fill in for someone, I certainly don't enjoy the rigidity of the format.
My favorite all time writer/performer, Kenny Rankin was hard to categorize, but could certainly hold his own as a unique artist who re-defined parts of many styles. Take some time to Google him...Blackbird, while My Guitar Gently Weeps...Here's that Rainy Day and the beautiful, Hiding Inside Myself are more than just performances...they are indescribable emotional experiences.
My nebulous definition of jazz is in constant flux. The art form is in constant flux.
And that's part of the wonderful, frustrating challenge.
Small wonder jazzers across time have been tortured souls.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
Russ
[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 06-07-2010).]
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