I asked about YOU ALONE with your G70 arranger not a band.......but thanx for my answer...I thought so anyway.

Actually, my arranger's drum section would do a MUCH better job of nailing the house beat were we to use it alongside the drummer. But I doubt any more people would dance than if we stick to the live version..! It's possible you have forgotten the power of a really good live drummer to make people's butts move..! Anyway, you aren't going to get hired to do a night's worth of house. You just want to be able to throw one or two in if you get a request...

I am more likely to credit you not being familiar with the music as to why you don't think you can compete, Donny. Your arranger, with as much care put into the registrations as you do for older styles, is as capable of getting the floor packed. But if you don't know the tunes, don't know the style, it doesn't matter whether the gear is capable or not.

And let's all move on. We've been down this path before and it never ends well.

Your talking about completely different types of gig. Both of you are correct for the type of gig you are playing. There is no argument needed here.


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I don't understand the need to compete for gigs that you don't like or don't understand. Personally, I don't ever want to hear a 70 year old lady sing a Christina Agulera song, OK? I don't want to hear a country fiddler try to learn a violin concerto. Some people are able to cross genre lines successfully. I feel for example that I can do both country and jazz pretty well; but I don't do electronica; and I don't do metal. I suppose I could learn a few metal songs, but do I really want to get a metal gig? No, I don't. I see no need to compete for that gig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9IG9oNOGls&feature=related


I would love to hear some of these songs played soley on any arranger KB using styles only?

I rest my case.

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I think mediastation running ableton live can do a decent job for a Deejay style dance music performance... overhere in Holland on weddigns and such you would be a very wanted artist if you could cater both the old with traditional keyboard playing and the young with some dance/house music.

Ableton live gives you a way to play those typical house loops and build up your performance, while you can play some solo's on top of that.

Somehow i hope that Dom will add many of the feautures i really like from ableton live to Q-ranger. Session view is an awesome tool for these kinds of performances..

Next to that, i love how you can stack VSt effects to a track in the Arrangement view of a certain track. Ableton live is the tooling for modern house/dance style play, Dom really needs to add support for these kind of things to mediastation because this makes the system wanted by even more people.

No offense, Donny, but you can get any arranger as close to those tunes as you can get an arranger to sound like a REAL bigband, or a REAL jazz ensemble...

In other words, not even CLOSE!

The problem comes when you hold an arranger to a higher standard for contemporary music than you do for legacy. Be as picky about the sound, playing and dynamics for old styles, and you realize just how short they come.

The other problem you have is that few make house styles for you to use. If you made your own, and leveraged the full soundset and synth capabilities of the S910, I'm sure you could get pretty close. But, let's face it... most people that use arrangers aren't into house! So there aren't any styles. But, if you listen to the originals of many of the tunes that some styles are based on in older styles (rhumba, swing, even rock), you start to realize just how short of the mark even THEY are. Yet we use them anyway!

Close enough is close enough... at least for the people WE play for!

Hi Dnj,

I like the music genre, especially Funky House, but I am afraid you'll never hear that authentic club/house/disco sound on an arranger unless it's sampled properly. Every arranger I've owned has never been able to replicate this type of music and don't even mention the styles, most are nowhere near arranged to a high standard. In saying that, Yamaha do have some acceptable club styles and the Korg has that lovely Dream style that resembles Robert Mile's "Children", however, I never found anything remotely usable for use on a Ketron or GEM, they were truly awful for Club or House music.

I thought Yamaha were going the right way about it though a few years ago when they released the DJX was it? Shame it used a basic sound engine and sounded very toy'ish but the idea was great, if they had continued to research and develop the series and used a professional sound engine it could have been used for DJ'ing.

I think most people who use arrangers are not bothered about those types of styles and sounds anyway which I would suspect is why it's always been the weakest recreated genre on all arrangers.

Danny ....all good points
Most of this type of music isn't created at all with arrangers...so here lies the difficulty recreating them... and adding the vocals is another story. But as an arranger player you sometimes might find yourself in a gig that turns into a situation that you would need some modern up to date Hi Energy house music for dancing...here lies using alternatives like mp3's etc etc....which is just another tool for the player to make a successful affair.

Reggae is another example of a poorly recreated genre that's even worse than House styles, but again, Yamaha does a better job than most but still not quite there. The biggest problem is the drums they are just simply not punchy enough and sound too thin, and that's on every arranger. With House music, the drums and their quality is primarily what makes or breaks it being great, and although drums are important on most music genres it's not as forgiving on Dance music if they are cheaply created especially when comparing to an MP3, so it's the drums which determines a really great funky and memorable beat, bass is important too but you could probably get away with a "sub bass" sound as long as the drums sound authentic in which no arranger to date can quite achieve yet.

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