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#288829 - 06/07/10 01:36 PM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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Originally posted by Dnj:
Most of this type of music isn't created at all with arrangers...so here lies the difficulty recreating them...

here lies using alternatives like mp3's etc etc....which is just another tool for the player to make a successful affair.


But as soon as you play MP3's, you are no longer a 'player'. You are a DJ. Nothing wrong with that, don't get me wrong. But while you are DJ-ing, you aren't 'playing'.

It all boils down to what you want to do. Me, I like playing! The day I HAVE to become a DJ, I'll go down to Wal-Mart's and try to get a job as a greeter...!

Thing is, NO MUSIC at all is 'created' on arrangers. No-one uses them on commercial records any more than house music does (at least, not the arranger section!). It's just that more and better styles have been made for older style musics, but even those are pretty lame compared to the original...

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#288830 - 06/07/10 03:12 PM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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Originally posted by Diki:
The day I HAVE to become a DJ, I'll go down to Wal-Mart's and try to get a job as a greeter...!



Diki, you wouldn't last a day as a Wal-Mart greeter........well, maybe if they gave you a bullet-proof vest. I can picture you now taking orders from the head greeter, you know, the one with the missing teeth and the 80 IQ. Nope, no potential conflict there. I can hear you now (to potential customer); "you know that you can get a better deal over at Target, you moron", and that's AFTER you've had your sensitivity training .

Just joshing you.



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#288831 - 06/07/10 03:42 PM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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By the time I can't play for a living, I'll BE the moron with the 80 IQ! I ought to fit in perfectly...
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#288832 - 06/07/10 07:58 PM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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Originally posted by Diki:
But as soon as you play MP3's, you are no longer a 'player'. You are a DJ. Nothing wrong with that, don't get me wrong. But while you are DJ-ing, you aren't 'playing'.


If the gig requires you to be both a player and a DJ so be it. Then you MUST play the originals when you DJ. For the DJ sessions playing a near version just aint gonna cut it. As I said the terms of the gig determine what you need to do.

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#288833 - 06/08/10 05:34 PM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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I just listened to some of the S910 DANCE bank styles, Electronica, Funkyhouse etc, ..... not bad at all, nice intros endings too.

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#288834 - 06/08/10 09:20 PM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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OK, well assuming we still want an On-Topic reply here....

We regularly do our own Dance Remixes/Mash ups of popular songs using my Korg PA1x's Sampled Loops (triggered via Pads) and I have one or two "Purely Arranger" Patches that I can use as Dance/House/Techno (to use the broadest terms...) versions of the Big Hits.

Eg We do a somewhat "Hard House Version" of Bleeding Love (Leona Lewis), we do a Mash up of Lady Ga Ga's Pokerface/Bad Romance using both a Midi File (Pokerface) and a triggered heavy drum loop (a la Bad Romance).

A few other surprises at our most adventurous gigs, but if you're asking do we do ENTIRE gigs full of House/Techno remixes solely with my Arranger, then the answer is no....

FWIW, we come off as quite convincing with that kind of stuff when we do it.
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#288835 - 06/08/10 10:41 PM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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So I would assume by some of the replies the best way to do ELECTRONICA/HOUSE Style music for a all night Hi Energy Dance gig is NOT with an arranger live....but instead leave it up to the duties of DJ'ing the original songs or useing the arranger KB to somehow be incorporated into creating trcaks/loops,..... and recording your own House/Electronica songs and playing them as Mp3's also, .........nothing wrong with that just using the right tools for the job at hand.

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#288836 - 06/09/10 01:12 AM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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Originally posted by hellboy44:
OK, well assuming we still want an On-Topic reply here....


Thanks so much Hellboy that is exactly what we want to hear.

The rock band I play with plays a couple of electronica songs. We use SMFs to play the extra keyboard parts I can't cover. We play Hella Good by No Doubt and Get The Party Started by Pink. But we are hired as a live band so we provide a live band performance ( augmented with sequencing when appropriate ). If we were being hired to DJ as well then I would definately play MP3s of the originals. But that is not what we are hired for. As I said earlier in this thread it is entirely is up to what the service is you are being paid to provide.



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#288837 - 06/09/10 06:57 AM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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The "arranger" section may not get the job done...but the SMF player should be alright...and you still can be the "player"...just learn your parts...

As for using the original songs as MP3 ..why not...it is what the dancers want to hear...no matter how well you "think" you play.. ..If you must play...play along, you shouldn't kill the song too much..
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#288838 - 06/09/10 09:38 AM Re: How Many "HOUSE" Electronica style players do we have here using arrangers?
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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
The "arranger" section may not get the job done...but the SMF player should be alright...and you still can be the "player"...just learn your parts...

As for using the original songs as MP3 ..why not...it is what the dancers want to hear...no matter how well you "think" you play.. ..If you must play...play along, you shouldn't kill the song too much..


Agreed Fran good post!

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