John, on page 56 of the Tyros3 manual....it states that you can do realtime style recording in the "Style Creator".....the manual is very vague about this..Have you tried using the Style creator?....or is it just more "hype" than service...

John there is a lot of misinformation here.

First I am not a "brand loyalist"- I have recent MOTL boards from Korg, Roland, and Yamaha. And I have created custom styles on all three. I also have the old RA-800 (which has the features of the G-800 in a module), and a Yamaha QY-100 stand-alone sequencer. I rarely find the need to use either.

Roland does have a "piano roll editor" and has some handy functions to substitute drum sets, etc. But by and large the style composer is NOT as sophisticated as Korg's or Yamaha's. For example, you cannot specify whether the arranger should retrigger a sustained note on the accompaniment track if the chord is released and played again later in the measure. K and Y both allow you to specify this. Just look at the number of pages in the manual devoted to style creation and you will see that Korg and Yamaha have put a lot more thought into it (Look up NTT, NTR, RTR, etc. Roland has the "Alteration" parameter but that's about it.)

The Korg is very flexible but it took me a while to get my head into their operating system. For example, Korg allows you to have different style patterns for six different types of chords. However it is not required to make the pattern different for each type of chord. Generally the Korgs (beginning with the addition of the "fixed" interval type on the PA-800) matches or exceeds the Yamaha feature for feature in style creation.

On the Tyros, you can definitely delete an accompaniment and re-record it from scratch. You can also modify the bass line. However you cannot do this and re-save it as a FACTORY style. What you can do, is copy the factory style to a user style. Then you can to whatever you want. You can even "morph" styles-- build a custom user style by taking the rhythm from one factory style and combining it with the bass line from another, etc. Then you can still edit the resulting product.

There are certain functions the Yamaha sequencer lacks, and it is true that some special style features (such as a different intro for a minor chord) are only accessible by using a 3rd party "CASM" editor on your PC. But I have done this and it's not difficult.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but just because something is posted on the Internet doesn't mean it's true! When in doubt, download the manuals, or go to a nearby store and see for yourself what can be done. Most of these boards are so deep, it's not a question of "whether" it does something, but "how".
Hope this helps,
Ted

Edit: Although I have not used one, based on the manual, it appears that the Ketron SD5 is also quite flexible in creating and customizing styles. -Ted

[This message has been edited by TedS (edited 06-18-2010).]

Ted I don't understand why an accompaniment sound needs to re trigger or not the sustain..

Are you referring to a real time sustained tone in the arranger chord area?

Give me an example of what you would need this for..

That said, if there is a command or an advent..Roland G70 will allow you to turn on or off at any interval of a style in any division...(microscope)..
Also the G70 uses an "auto" hold , besides the standard on/off for each real time parts..
Help me understand your point...

Ted are you aware..Roland top models allow you to program 54 different patterns per style....How sophisticated is that?..

Your last statement is very true..it is how it does it....and maybe since it took a long time for you to get the handle of a Korg....maybe you are selling the Roland short...

Don't worry pretty soon Diki will straighten all this out for sure just wait and see!

Fran, Diki agrees with me (and what higher authority is there?) On Rolands, anyway.
http://roland-arranger.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=38&topic=433.0
http://roland-arranger.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=38&topic=1165.0
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/019994.html

This comes up with orchestral music, film scores, traditional liturgical music, etc. where there are a lot of sustained pad-type sounds, changes in the time signature, or when you just need to play rubato.

The T3 style "Ethereal Movie" that everyone was talking about a few months ago would be an example of this. When I first got my E-50 I tried very hard to make a style like this. I succeeded (sort-of), but the results were dependent on which voice I used. (See my original post on roland-arranger.com)

Please look at the manuals. Yamaha's Style File Format (SFF) going all the way back to the 1997 PSR-730, has a lot more parameters in the style creation section to determine what the machine will do to your original source pattern. Most of the time you will not need all of them (and some of them I will probably NEVER use!) Korg added some new options in this area starting with the PA-800, and might be the best as of now.

Yamaha can give you more than the obvious 15 patterns per style. But if you want different patterns for major and minor chords for example, you have to use a 3rd party tool (CASM editor) to access that part of the style file.

O/T- Fran will you be playing anywhere near the Jersey Shore in July?
Thanks,
Ted

Ted here is the band website with our schedule...We are always at the Jersey shore..year around..
www.justintimeband.com

Fran, I am talking CURRENT models...no Jurassic models.....The G70 is discontinued, so is the E 80.

So, do not live in the PASS.
Inform yourself on the current models..

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mdorantes

Without the "past"..there is no future...

The G70 still to today does things many other "NEWER UNITS" cannot .......for starters the Makeup/Micro tools for editing are far above anything out there....being able to edit EVERY piece of kit in a drumset down to the little nuances and timbers is great to create that special sound you want.. and a great sequencer with so many features also......the Voc Harmonizer is in many ways superior to anything Yamaha has produced. as a Yamaha player I really hope they up the game on their KB Harmonizers in the future....

Jurassic models?......newest is NOt always the best

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Thank you Donny