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#291082 - 08/13/10 10:34 AM And it continues...
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A few years back I semi-jokingly predicted the that the Roland VIMA would be the next line of arrangers. Now the G and E series are down to the GW8 and the Prelude. The VIMA series continues and now even has a JM-8 module to go with it. http://www.rolandus.com/go/vima/ http://www.roland.co.uk/products/productdetails.aspx?p=10059

"Experience a new world of audio/visual entertainment with the VIMA RK-100, a unique and exciting instrument. The RK-100, a more compact and affordable VIMA, is packed with great sounds for you to play, and comes loaded with a library of timeless songs to listen to and play along with. You can also add as many songs to your collection as you wish. The RK-100 can also play back CDs, and it lets you connect two microphones for karaoke fun. Your parties and special gatherings will never be the same with the RK-100 as the recreational centerpiece."

My NH customers are pretty savy and all have HDTV all over the facility. Can you imagine hooking intoo one or more of their TVs and videoing yourself or displaying the lyrics as you sing. I just had some residents say to me the other day that they would like to have the lyrics so they could sing along.

So who's gonna be the first to use this HOME & recreational keyboard to play out? I would like to know if any of our European members have seen or heard of the VIMA in action. Do you think Fran or Donny could sell us on this Roland?
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#291083 - 08/13/10 12:04 PM Re: And it continues...
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I dont know, to me personally completely useless but it is not a Pro instrument anyways,
probably for kids to have fun at home i guess.
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#291084 - 08/13/10 01:13 PM Re: And it continues...
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Cass,
I just don't see much potential in this unit. Sounds to me like another mistake by Roland. Displaying Lyrics and all that can be done from a simple $200 Netbook with an HDMI connection.

By the way, your European friends would like to see an Arranger option for the Fantom G.

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#291085 - 08/13/10 01:17 PM Re: And it continues...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:
I dont know, to me personally completely useless but it is not a Pro instrument anyways,
probably for kids to have fun at home i guess.


A $2,500 toy for kids to play with..

I could not find in the specs..a harmonizer..but I heard a demo using backing harmony with a midi track (Elvis tune)..
I for one will check it out..I am a kid at heart..

Here is a demo..the guys are having fun..but suck..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpoPUYT4ss


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2LnCOF1Z8s&feature=related

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 08-13-2010).]
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#291086 - 08/13/10 01:21 PM Re: And it continues...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nedim:
I dont know, to me personally completely useless but it is not a Pro instrument anyways,
probably for kids to have fun at home i guess.


I agree with nedim totaly useless for any pro.

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#291087 - 08/13/10 02:04 PM Re: And it continues...
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Originally posted by Dnj:
I agree with nedim totaly useless for any pro.



I got to disagree....You guys are not considering the "track performers"..as we know many ladies doing a single with laptops...

This unit is all self contained including effects with mic inputs,,,video outs if you are Karaoke...and the make up tools and markers, with a large enough hard drive...USB midi to use with a keyboard controller...Mixer is also built in..
Sure it lacks style play that all "Pros" rely on..

You guys are not looking at the whole picture...just because it doesn't meet your needs...it can meet the needs of other folks working in the "trenches"..
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#291088 - 08/13/10 03:28 PM Re: And it continues...
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Whoever designed this thing at a price of 2,000 Euros, must be on some heavy duty meds. By the way, its competition is the Korg MP10pro, with a built in TC harmonizer and about 300 Euros cheaper.

Fran,
2000 Euros, or a little over $2500 can satisfy many different needs that a single person has. Seriously, this is just criminal to ask that much money for a glorified Mp3 player.

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#291089 - 08/13/10 03:48 PM Re: And it continues...
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Originally posted by Fran Carango:
I got to disagree....You guys are not considering the "track performers"..as we know many ladies doing a single with laptops...

This unit is all self contained including effects with mic inputs,,,video outs if you are Karaoke...and the make up tools and markers, with a large enough hard drive...USB midi to use with a keyboard controller...Mixer is also built in..
Sure it lacks style play that all "Pros" rely on..

You guys are not looking at the whole picture...just because it doesn't meet your needs...it can meet the needs of other folks working in the "trenches"..



Good luck to all that go that way!

enjoy

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#291090 - 08/13/10 08:27 PM Re: And it continues...
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As I've said from the start, this VIMA concept is not for me. But I think we are losing sight of those who may follow in our "tracks." What we find silly, cheap, unacceptable or whatever may be what the next generation of solo keyboardists finds exciting or necessary. I predict someone will post about doing a job on this type keyboard or module within the next three years. Maaybe it won't be a VIMA but a Korg or ???
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#291091 - 08/13/10 08:29 PM Re: And it continues...
cassp Offline
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Originally posted by Nedim:
I dont know, to me personally completely useless but it is not a Pro instrument anyways, probably for kids to have fun at home I guess.


...and what most of us are playing are DEFINITELY pro boards, not home keyboards. HA ha ha...
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#291092 - 08/13/10 08:37 PM Re: And it continues...
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http://www.djdeals.com/korgMP10PRO.htm

I think Korg has just pushed the bar forward. Video-Interactive-Music-Audio

Maybe it's a DJ tool, but a keyboardist could easily adapt for live use.
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#291093 - 08/13/10 09:57 PM Re: And it continues...
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Originally posted by cassp:
http://www.djdeals.com/korgMP10PRO.htm

I think Korg has just pushed the bar forward. Video-Interactive-Music-Audio

Maybe it's a DJ tool, but a keyboardist could easily adapt for live use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVRK6wGT1vk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VQGfXt9G98&feature=related

http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=576



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#291094 - 08/14/10 07:12 AM Re: And it continues...
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Doesn't the Midjay do all that and more for less money?
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#291095 - 08/14/10 11:26 AM Re: And it continues...
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Jerry, that occurred to me too and I was going to list that in my next post, but you beat me to it. Does the MidJay have video capabilities?
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#291096 - 08/14/10 12:04 PM Re: And it continues...
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#291097 - 08/14/10 01:41 PM Re: And it continues...
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Forget the specs and forget the 2500$...why in the hell would i need a video and all that crap
on there, we cant even use what we have...they should put everything in there, a Neve console too.
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#291098 - 08/15/10 12:12 PM Re: And it continues...
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I'm willing to bet that I use features, styles and sounds that you don't and vise versa. I think it's time to open our eyes and realize that the future is not in the arranger in your gig bag. Oh, it may be around for quite some tiime to come, but those coming up (over the hill) and going solo are going to want to use the tools they've become accostomed to. and that means that there will be recorded tracks, loops, other audio and video. Roland, Korg and Ketron are opening the door to the future, like it or not. Just as many performers have come to use lights in their acts there will be video, be it lyrics, crowd cams, stage cams or whatever...
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#291099 - 08/15/10 12:33 PM Re: And it continues...
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Originally posted by cassp:
I'm willing to bet that I use features, styles and sounds that you don't and vise versa. I think it's time to open our eyes and realize that the future is not in the arranger in your gig bag. Oh, it may be around for quite some tiime to come, but those coming up (over the hill) and going solo are going to want to use the tools they've become accostomed to. and that means that there will be recorded tracks, loops, other audio and video. Roland, Korg and Ketron are opening the door to the future, like it or not. Just as many performers have come to use lights in their acts there will be video, be it lyrics, crowd cams, stage cams or whatever...


Great post Cass!

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#291100 - 08/16/10 03:59 AM Re: And it continues...
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Adapt or die out
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#291101 - 08/16/10 07:31 AM Re: And it continues...
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It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change. -Charles Darwin

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#291102 - 08/16/10 07:45 AM Re: And it continues...
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Originally posted by 124:
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change. -Charles Darwin


That's what "bugs" me the most.

Taike

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