now guys, believe it or not,
i am yet to play with my new toy
i have been so busy
and first i wanna create a COMPLETE backup of the AUDYA 4 as it is from factory

so while playing with Franks AUDYA 5
i notice the following: (please confirm)

-play ANY sound, a sustaining sound like a pad lets say,

-hold down sound

-next change to a new sound,

-the sound does not change, BUT

what's up with the effects changing, and there's a click noise,

so if you go from pad to a crazy wah like sound,
your pad now has wah, without ever retriggering sound

nothing should change , not sound, not effects, till you retrigger sound

please confirm this

is this a known bug?
this needs to be fixed

Oh Boy I thought it was over now that you got the Audya.......why didnt you detect these bugs when you demoed the unit?....
try the ketron forum with this you might do better...and AJ can help you out. Or what you think is a bug could a normal thing?
http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdi...=100&LastLogin=

Leezone,

I haven't got a clue what you are on about!

Dnj,

a normal thing?
i don't think so...

why would i want my effects changing, and a loud click when changing sounds (while sustaining the notes)

also, i did notice this when i tried it, but of course that's not going to stop me from buying it

[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 09-08-2010).]

Tony,

try what i said:
play sound, hold keys/sound , then change sound, listen carefully

Is this something that you would do musically while playing your Audya 4 ?

The whole example you give doesn't sound like something I would want to do.

Leezone,

I don't know why you want to do that, but I can change sounds in my Audya while holding the keys with-out any issues or weird sounds as you say.
Tested the same with a korg PA800. Both keyboards react the same way.
Some times the weird sounds (oh crap, I hit the wrong note, wrong chord) are coming from us and no the keyboards.

i will check on my AUDYA4 soon

yes, this is something i would do alot during a gig, hold sound, and then change sound (while holding), especially on ballads

You are right, Leezone. I have the same on my Audya. Very anouying...

Regards,

Carlo.

Lee you weren't naive enough to think the unit was perfect did you?

Does it happen on your G70 also?



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Hi

It's NOT a bug. Almost every keyboard have this "problem". My Fantom G does not and it was one of the new futures, that holding down a key and then select a new voice without any noise. I have noticed the same noice when playing the Tyros 1,2,3 and the G-70.

Niels


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i dont think this happens on my G-70
will have to recheck

if the sound does not change, why should the effects? makes no sense

AJ, please let ketron know about this "bug"

i don't think they meant it to be like this and can't see anyone wanting to hear noise and FX changes

and of course i know the AUDYA is not perfect, but we nust point out all the flaws and hope that most are corrected

My issue with the Tyros2/Tyros3 is that if you are using a sound (TVN/UVN) the ones you add on into the "expansion" area....a big noise happens, you must lift your fingers and sync your movements.

This do not happen on the Korgs I have.

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mdorantes

Hi leezone

I think most keyboard players know this issue. When you change the sound and still holding down the key the previous sound is still there until you release the note. So it's not a bug, it's normal.

leezone,

Mines OK the sound changes ever time.

am i speaking English?
or i'm not being clear?

the problem is THIS:

the old sound remains,
but FX changes to the new sound's FX

play a full chord
hold chord down
now change sound (while holding chord)
LISTEN CAREFULLY,
sound remains same (as it SHOULD)
what changes is the FX to the new sound's FX
so you get a click, and new sound's FX with old sound

what should happen is sound AND FX should remain same, UNTIL you release chord and re-trigger

then when you retrigger,
then and only then
you should get the new sound AND the new FX


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[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 09-08-2010).]

I understand what you are saying. It's still normal and not a bug.

capiche?

sorry, no way this is normal

if sound and FX changed maybe it would be normal (though not to peoples liking)

but NOT part of the sound changing, and the other part remaining

that IS NOT normal, and IS a bug

i mean...

you would want to play a nice choir or string
sustain it
then switch sound (while sustaining)
and then you want to hear a click sound
and have your strings or choir with distotion or a wah effect because you've chosen a guitar sound?

i don't think so...this is not "normal"

All this is an old known issue with keyboards. As I mentioned Roland have fixed this issue in the Fantom G. So it can be fixed, but it's not a bug.

i will check my G-70

you think it's not a bug,
but i beg to differ

Leezone,
If I may give some advice :
a. Tell the Audya owners what voice you start with.
b. Also tell them what part of the keyboard your are talking about (left or right)
c. Tell them what voice you switch to.

A little explaination :
FX is NOT a basic part of a voice, but is added 'afterwards' and has not a direct relation to the key-trigger. Therefore in many/the most instruments FX's do change immediately as a new voice is selected.

All these problems can be avoided with sufficient seperate FX-es onboard. For example :
try to program FX1 for voice #1 and FX2 for the next voice you choose...

Sure, nobody likes this behaviour but as Niels stated most kb's do have this 'feature'.

Method #2 to avoid it : Release the (right-hand) keys while changing voices.

And.... please relax

i am relaxed, just pointing out BUGS, which i will adress to ketron.it

i really doubt my G-70 is like this,
but maybe i'm wrong

it does not matter what sound you choose,
or what sound you switch to
and yes, the right hand (solo) is what i'm talking about

not to beat the dead horse but,
when you switch to a new sound (while holding down)
you get new FX kicking in,
VERY noticeable to those that can hear well.

i would like to know if the Korg, Yamaha, and Roland arrangers behave this way...

My Tyros 3 and G-70 have the same issue. So I never hold down keys in the right hand the same time I switch to an other sound.

Also in my view it's not a BUG and yes Yammies show the same behaviour if you change between voices that use the same FX-unit..... every kb will!

ok, then maybe it's ME being picky as hell

would be nice if FX did not change, until notes were retriggered,
i'm sure it's possible via software updates

Yeah, my Tyros 2 does pretty much what you describe.

Maybe not an issue with Korgs and Rolands?

Leezone cant wait to her some songs on your new unit!!

Lee,

I've never owned a keyboard that didn't do what you described. It's just something you work around.

Cheers,

Gary

Lee, this is standard behavior. Yes, the voice itself should sustain, but the effects, volume (if programmed to change when you select a new voice) and panning, reverb, etc. will change. Add to that that, if an insert effect on the voice changes during patch change, you'll often get a glitch in the sound output.

You CAN hear this on a G70, if you select the MFX link to Tone in the Options (selects the MFX for each sound as you select them) on quite a lot of patch changes. You'll also hear some quite clear jumps in volume and effects, etc., on sustaining notes if a new patch is selected by the OTS or by changing UPG's.

I am surprised you never noticed this before. Are you sure you aren't subjecting the Audya to higher standards of scrutiny than you have before..?

Don't panic! Don't take a leaf out of Tony's book by screaming 'BUG!' before you have fully investigated the problem...

thanks Diki,


i was worried about you
did you get lost in Spencers ?

Well, the Fantom G6 does not have that issue!

hhmmm...interesting then

why then do the arrangers?

i think Ketron should look into it,
then, AUDYA would have another "something" the others don't

Did I do that Diki, I just thought if I did I must have had a reason, the KBssss are OK now, so it must have been wrong when I was bitching, does that figure Diki. Back to your old self then- hey! Nothing like kicking a man when he's down!

Sorry, but the FantomG has that problem just as much as any other keyboard. You have to set up the Tones you want to change in advance so that they don't exceed the number of insert effects, and you don't get the buffer reset glitch that affects most older keyboards. You can do exactly the same thing on your arranger, by programming the voices and registrations to NOT switch between different types of insert and buss FX as you change between them. No voodoo, just plain common sense...

It helps, when creating a collection of registrations or Tones that you are going to play altogether, to pick ONE common reverb type, one common chorus type, and if you use insert FX, to try and either avoid those altogether, or pick just one for them all to share. That will make any changes you make totally glitch-free and seamless. The FantomG simply has so MANY insert FX that it is possible to do this in a more complex fashion, but it isn't by any means limitless...

Diki, the Fantom G does not have the problem.

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When you change a pre-set (Which can have many parameters) and hold a key down, only the voice will stay the same, all the external FX parameters etc will change, therefore as Diki said, leave all external FX the same between pre-sets of a song, and edit the voice instead. (Most boards allow you to store a number of edited voice parameters in a pre-set, without having to create a new user voice for every variation)

Bill

Lee,
On Casio keybaords, including the inexpensive WK200 and WK500 you can do what you would like the Ketron to do. Play a sound, hold the notes down, switch to another sound and until you release your fingers you don't hear the new sound or any of the effects change until you release. I also tried this on a Roland Juno Di and as soon as you select a new sound, even while holding down the keys, the sound changes immediately.
I then tried it on a Roland EXR46oriental and the sound stays until you release but the effects and preset volumes change even though you are still hearing the original sound.
On a Yamaha Tyros3 the sound stays but the effects, volume and EQ paramaters change while you are still holding the same keys down but the sound doesn't change until you release.


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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

so it seems
some keyboards cange fx
and others do not

could Diki be wrong?

Infreaking possible, never in the manner of man, not in my lifetime, frankly Leezone, NO,highly unlikely,POOPYCOCK!

[This message has been edited by Tony Hughes (edited 09-09-2010).]

Like I said, the Fantom G does it and it's a feature in the Live Mode. I guess this luxury is only intended for workstations.

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Don’t confuse external FX with Internal voice FX. Internal voice FX will not change until you press a new key, whereas and External FX will. (Or at least it should if it’s working correctly, and the FX is separate)

Bill

Bill

Hey LeeZone,

Why don't you just play and enjoy your new Ketron instead of looking for bugs?

I've had my Audya for over a year now and play professionally 5 and 6 nights a week.

If I find a snag in something, I just work and play around it.

Enjoy your new machine, look for all the neat things it can do and how you can " WOW " your listeners.

If you want to look for bugs, come to SW Florida.

We have PLENTY of bug's here!

Have fun!

Jim

Jim...
i don't LOOK for the bugs,
i notice them as i play,
and then report/share them here to confirm whether they are bugs or not
apparently people say it's "normal"
to me, it is not "normal"
but we all have our own opinions & standards i guess

good post Jim .. Lee I hope you listening?

PS... Jim great website ....
enjoyed visiting!
http://www.southernexpressmusic.com/index.php



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