Hello all,

Well I was playing on my T3 this evening as I usually do and under the light I was horrified to see the silver paintwork slowly starting to wear down in places!!! This is quite shocking considering I've only had it since Feb this year. I've had my KorgPA1x since 2005 and the paintwork on the front is in the same perfect condition as to when I bought it 5 years ago.

I am a bit dissapointed with this because I am absolutely meticulous about how I treat my items.

Anybody else have this trouble with any of the Tyros'?

Danny.

I have an s910 and there's a small section of silver paint that has peeled away from the area just to left of the volume knob. I'm very careful with the s910, there's no reason this paint should have chipped off.

This is what You can expect with Keyboards "MADE IN CHINA"

Regards.
Carlo

Carlo, don't insult Chinese workmanship. The keyboard was designed in Japan and made to YAMAHA'S specifications IN CHINA! I have a pair of PSR-3000s with the same silver paint job. No wear anywhere on either board after three hard years of gigging.

Gary

Build quality is one reason I don't play Yamaha
arrangers...they're the "planned obsolescence", mass merchandisers for sure.

Very successful, but, at least in the arranger department, not for me!

Do like their amps, PA's, motorcycles...even a cool, cheap little NP-30 I keep in the office and play out with occasionally.


Russ

Duh? The T3 is made in Japan. Also, China's products use parts made in Japan, but assembled in China.

Ofttimes paint or finish wearing off has a lot to do with the player's body chemistry and sweat composition.

It happens on guitars, horns, synths etc...no big deal.

The real pain is when the instrument gets shipped with HUGE bugs like Lee is experiencing with his new Audya.

I have not have a finish wear problem on any of the Yamahas I have for demos and clinics, and they get used and carted around far more than the average user.

Ian

Wearing off & chipping off is two different things ...body finegr acids/sweat is the main culprit and so what? ......do you want it to last forever sheeeesh!!! it's only a freaking keyboard........who cares what it looks like as long it it SOUNDS GOOD and everything is working properly, and YAMAHA KB's are durable & road worthy beyond belief Gig after gig, ....year after year, profit after profit, they are still the best bang for the buck arrangers made period. ....take it from people in the trenches with thousands of gigs under their belts, not some bedroom players who go nowhere......

Sept 17 cant come soon enough....

My Tyros2 had worn off paint and worn buttons after the first year. My Tyros3 hasn't experienced this yet. I thought Yamaha may have improved in these areas because I remember the complaints from several Tyros2 users. Maybe not.............

I do know this............ My hands are eternally dry (I'm a mechanic) and whenever I played in front of others I always applied hand lotion to make them look better. I had several earlier keyboards, Yamahas and Korgs, that had their paint disappearing. I know it was the lotion!! -charley

This is another good reason to bring back BLACK KEYBORDS!!!!!

I agree Dnj, I wished they were black again.

I think the best keyboard i've owned for build quality is the Korg i30, it was built like a brick s*** house.

Dannuy I loved my KORG M1, I3, I30.....it had a great black color and a slight texture to it also....almost like a sand paint which gave it extra toughness.....those were some of the best KB's Korg ever made!

Must be all that oily Italian food we eat here in Rhode Island

Wouldn't have it any other way

You have food? We're so poor here on Cape Breton Island, that all the mice left...

quote" ianmcnll
Member posted 09-08-2010 03:15 PM
The real pain is when the instrument gets shipped with HUGE bugs like Lee is experiencing with his new Audya. "

Ian as you can read further into the subject on the bug or so called bug, it appears the Yamahas and other Arrangers have the very same bug if you wish to call it that in thier keyboards.

As far as the color, I wish they were black or at least something different from Grey, Korgs at least put those end strips, woodgrain, nice asthetics, why dont yamaha and others incorporate arrangers into synths, hit the nail on the head need to call it something else but styles!! and they will,, come on Ketron, Korg, Yamaha its time to grow up and get an all in one synth/workstation/arranger in one!!

Well, Lee was calling it a "HUGE bug"...

My Yamaha instruments respond similarly...I don't mind it; one learns to compensate.

I like the silver, but black would be nice...yet, they still can show wear, as the affected parts tend to get shiny.

I'm perfectly happy with the arranger being just that...an arranger. It has enough features of the workstation for my liking.

Of course, Robbo, opinions will differ...that's what makes these discussions so interesting.

Ian

Silver (or gray) paint and variations have always issues with durability.

It has been known for years the issue.

Long time ago I read an article about the problem after my Honda have the same problem.

Most durable= black, blue and red.

If Tyros 4 is now ready for release ....
be assured R&D is working on Tyros 5 already!!

Actually, the only black that held up were keyboards with a case made of Bakelite, which was, and still is, the most durable form of plastic available. The color was not a coating or paint, but instead it was impregnated into the plastic, thus it was not susceptible to wear. It was available in various colors, including silver, but if I recall correctly it was about three times as expensive as other forms of plastic, and it would not extrude nearly as well because of its hardness.

I've had lots of black keyboards, they got hot as Hell when you were doing an outdoor job, and they didn't look any more professional than a silver board. For me, silver works just fine. For those that must have a black keyboard, there's always Krylon. It comes in gloss, flat, crinkle, and textured.

Good Luck,

Gary

ianmcnll quote:

Of course, Robbo, opinions will differ...that's what makes these discussions so interesting.

Ian
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Hi Ian,

yep that is deffinately what makes these forums so interesting, but it's the closest most people will ever get to roadtesting before they buy, ofcourse most of us are tragics and want the latest and greatest even with bugs, just wish manufacturers would say nothing until the actual release with the problems sorted, that would be great, I know I like to hear about up and comings, but it's frustrating and either makes you dive into something else before the release or wait until its too late.

Danny,

It must be repeated hand movements across the KB surface, it is only plastic, someone said it was a plastic toy but we will pass on that one, tis will happen and I think you will find the plastic pellets may be even black underneath so beware. Can't you cover the area with film, it's not something you are wearing that is doing it like a big gold chain or rings. I bought a Audya I can't afford gold.

Hi Tony,

I did think about covering the area's of the kb that has the most use but I think even this would discolour the surface because it will leave a shadow if it's been there a period of time. I would need to cover the whole keyboard and that's not really possible.

Regards,
Danny

I have got the exact same problem with my T2 – it doesn’t look good at all. I guess it depends on peoples composition of acids in their sweat.
When I buy new keyboards in the future, I’ll consider taking off the top coating it with nano-cover for plastic surfaces.


[This message has been edited by Morten Jonassen (edited 09-09-2010).]

In the automotive paint business...Silver and Light blue metallic..are nightmares...both in unexpected problems and color matches..

here is another solution.......

Magic Tool.....

paibnt it on the surfaces you most touch......peel it off when you dont need it anymore..
http://www.firemountaingems.com/beading_howtos/beading_projects.asp?docid=690N

I have a friend with a PSR-2000 that has worn all the paint off the keyboard case surrounding the volume control. The reason behind it is that when he turns the volume knob, which is almost constantly, his fingernails are resting on the keyboard case. I repaired it with Krylon then put a thin, Lexan shield over the area for protection. Within two weeks he had scratched the Lexan cover to the point where it looked like it had been gouged out with a pocket knife.

Prior to me making the repairs, he swore his fingernails never touched the keyboard case when turning the volume knob.

Here's something many folks just don't think about. The reason that car door handles have shields behind them is because years ago, when they didn't have the shields the paint in that area quickly wore off. If you were to rub your finger on one specific area of your car 50 times a day, within a few months that spot would likely be worn down to bare metal.

From my perspective, keyboards, all keyboards, are built like tanks. I've seen every kind of player pounding on the keys, punching the buttons, hammering joy sticks, jamming pitch bend wheels and massaging touch screens. Some perform 5 to 7 days a week, several hours a day. Despite the abuse, the vast majority of those keyboards continue to function as good as they did the day they came out of the box. The big difference in appearance after a few years of gigging was dependent upon the owner and the way he or she operated their equipment. Some keyboards looked as if they had been dragged behind a truck with a length of chain and were just a few months old, while others that were several years old, and used ever day of the week, looked just as good as they did when it was shipped from the factory.

As for hand lotion, yes, this can have some effect on any finish--even stainless steel. But, when my hands were falling apart I had to use prescription hand creams and lotions extensively and it never damaged the finish on my PSR-3000s, 2000s, 740s or 5700s. I sincerely believe that abrasion is the culprit for any paint wear problems. And if your hand lotion is volatile enough to remove paint, I would think it would be disastrous to your hands. I could be wrong about this issue, but then again, maybe not.

Good luck, and I hope you are able to solve your problem,

Gary

[This message has been edited by travlin'easy (edited 09-09-2010).]

Someone talked about taking the top off their machine and spraying it with a clear spray. I think this would be agood idea as I was having the same problem of paint wearing off on my last keyboard.

Thanks!

By the way, I'm Greek and my skin is very oily and acidic.

I've had Tyros, Tyros 2 and Tyros 3, and yes, the paint does wear thin in places that are touched a lot. That said, I have travelled on a plane with my various Tyros keyboards AT LEAST 100 times, and despite being thrown around, I've never had a problem...