ok guys, while at Frank's testing the AUDYA,
he pointed out, and we confirmed the following:

-while playing a style and holding a note or chord on right hand, any sound
-then striking the left hand hard (full velocity)
-the RIGHT hand is affected, in that things such as vibrato on RH kick in... and the sound is altered,

so you're playing a clarinet, and hit the left hard,
all of a sudden your clarinet has a serious case of VIBRITIS


the RIGHT hand (solo), should be independent/split from the LEFT hand
so 1 velocity should not affect the other

please try...
and NO it's NOT meant to be this way

i wonder how other arrangers behave

[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 09-09-2010).]

Leezone,

Why you don't post this question in the KETRON forum?.
I think you will find a quicker answer there.

Have you purchase an Audya 4 or 5 yet?

yes i have bought the AUDYA 4

i will post on Ketron forum

it's just that THIS seems to be the Ketron forum nowadays, and has much more exposure

Lee so when are you returning the Audya?

My Tyros 2 does the same thing. It's designed that way, and my guess is so is the Audya. Just adjust touch sensitivity to suit you.

But then again, who on purpose would hit the left hand chord as hard as they can anyway?

Sounds like a bug hunt to me.

NEVER !!!

just because it has "bugs" doesn't take away from the fact that this is 1 KICK @SS ARRANGER !!!

NO!!!! it should not work that way...
Any top model should have individual part control of velocity and after touch..

Gee-sh, I am glad I play a Roland..

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 09-09-2010).]

This issue has nothing to do with VELOCITY. It is you, playing hard, activating the aftertouch sensor. And aftertouch is a monophonic sensor. There is no such thing (AFAIK) as an arranger with a split aftertouch sensor. Polyphonic aftertouch kind of died out years ago (sadly, IMO).

Aftertouch is generated by a sensor strip that lies underneath the keys, and it generates ONE value. In other words, if you press hard on the lower end of the keyboard (even inadvertently, by playing hard, any sound being played high up will get vibrato'd (if that is what it is programmed to do). Your G70 does this as well (as does ANY modern keyboard).

The idea of a 'split' aftertouch sensor is kind of nice, until you start to think of the difficulties... If there are then TWO aftertouch sensors, where do you put the split...? After all, it is NOT a software function, it will have to be two physical sensor strips. So there will be no way to program where it splits. So you will STILL have the same problem, depending on where you split your LH/RH sounds.

I would try messing around with the sensitivity of the aftertouch if I were you, if weight at the LH is triggering the aftertouch on high notes. Even better would be a curve selector, where you could choose whether the aftertouch response is linear or weighted towards heavier touch, so your LH doesn't activate it if played softer than your RH. I don't know if the Audya offers this, but it's worth looking in the manual.

In the meantime, you are 0 for 2 in the 'bug' category, all you have so far described is behavior that even your G70 does. I would, in future, post something more along the lines of 'Is this normal behavior?' in your posts than screaming 'BUG!' at the top of your lungs. Or even checking whether your G70 does it as well before you even post!

Once again (even after actually getting one!) you seem determined to find fault with the Audya, to the point of inventing problems that don't exist (or at least ALL keyboards suffer from)..! How about getting on with discovering what the Audya does WELL, rather than trying (WAY too hard, IMO!) to be the first to report a genuine 'bug'..?

You might remember that I used to run the old G70 Users Club's Bug Forum... we had a system there where, BEFORE anything was allowed to be called a bug, we went through the process of, first of all, noting the EXACT set of steps needed to reproduce something weird. If you can't make it happen consistently, it's much more likely to be PEBCAK (problem exists BETWEEN chair and keyboard!) than a true bug. And then a discussion about whether this behavior is actually contrary to anything in the manual. Often, it was simply decided that a flaw in the system was simply bad design rather than a bug, because it did nothing that the manual said it shouldn't. To get prompt updates to fix bugs, it is important to not flood the company with mere moaning about 'this doesn't work the way I'd LIKE it to', and concentrate on 'this doesn't work the way you SAY it should'.

A bug is NOT a design choice that is poorly made... or a technical limitation that all other keyboards suffer from.

Scott, don't you play 2 or more sounds on your keyboard...of course you may want to play with velocity on just your left or right hands independently...also style dynamics can be used with velocity from the left hand..you do have this feature on the top of the line Tyros...Don't you?

Scott, not sure if you own an AUDYA

but on the AUDYA, when you hit the left hand HARD,
it senses your playing, and automatically will randomize a fill, maybe a different bass line, or an accented drum groove, (different from the generic fills A,B,C

this is why you would hit harder, on AUDYA at least....

Diki,

you make some interesting points

i THOUGHT this was a software thing,
and just as you can split the arranger, LH, RH,
i would think you can split the zone for aftertouch , on arrangers at least.

didn't know it was hardware, ribbon related, etc..
so it's ALL or nothing from what you say
but will still try it on my G-70

so i guess things can't always be as WE want them

thanks for clearing things up

But...aftertouch can be turned on or off for each part...so...that should not be a problem...

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 09-09-2010).]

With Yamaha keyboards, you have an option of turning on or off the left, right1 and right2 and on some models, touch sensitivity for the style. I cannot remember which ones had the style sensitivity setting, though.

I would think someone that is very knowledgeable with Ketron products would have this information at their fingertips.

Good Luck,

Gary

Diki,
Excellent post/answer!

No, Fran... if you actually WANT the aftertouch possibilities for your RH (you want to impart vibrato with pressure from the RH) you can't stop the pressure in the LH from triggering it. All you can do is turn down the sensitivity until it takes more force than your LH is imparting to activate the effects. I usually set any aftertouch I use to it's lowest setting, so that this problem is unnoticeable as much as possible.

Lee, I imagine that setting your Velocity sensitivity fairly low (so that you don't NEED a lot of force in your LH to trigger what you want) on your LH sounds will help you to avoid this problem, along with setting the aftertouch sensitivity as low as possible (so you need a fair bit of force to activate it) will keep this problem from being too noticeable. Plus, as others have suggested, turning OFF the aftertouch reception for Parts you don't actually want it on.

If I were you, I'd spend a fair bit of time with the manual investigating how to control and scale both aftertouch and velocity (and, as you have the module version - correct? - the aftertouch and velocity capabilities of your controllers as well) before you get too worried about things...

Agreed, that's how AT works on Tyros too. Lean too hard on the left hand for too long and it can trigger AT across the whole keyboard.
On Tyros it doesn't make any difference to the issue if you have AT disabled to the left. The right voice AT's will still be triggered by the sensor (if they are enabled.)
[Could disable them temporarily if you wish and try "overplaying" the left hand again just to prove the point.]

john

Originally posted on the Ketron forum in answer to the question.

After Touch is normally monophonic, (A single pressure bar covers all the keys) thus pressing another key harder will affect any voice that is using pressure control. (Vibrato etc)

Very few keyboards of any description are polyphonic due to the mechanical complexity of reliably implementing it.

Before anybody mentions that dynamics of a keyboard are polyphonic, dynamics is easier to control, as it is calculated by how fast any key goes from off to on. (It’s not a constant like pressure)

Bill

I just tested my Yammie PSR S710 in the manner you suggested. No problem! This is interesting as it uses much of the same technology as the TYROS 2, and I can't get it to duplicate the sound problem you describe.

I just put my Yamaha PSR S710 through the routine you suggested, and there were no problems.

This is curious as much of the technology in the S710 is identical to the TYROS 2, and you said that it had the same problem.

Your PsrS710 does not have aftertouch! Neither does the S910.
That's why you can not duplicate the same effect.

[This message has been edited by hitman (edited 09-10-2010).]