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#292698 - 09/10/10 07:48 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Loc: Ocala, FL USA
Telmo,
Very nice indeed...I really enjoyed it.
Nice ly arranged and played.

BUT, If you want drums and percussion...this is what I like ( I love Gloria and Miami).
A group in which there is talant everywhere. From drums to singers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A7CVrBFC7M&feature=related

Lee S.
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#292699 - 09/10/10 08:22 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by leezone:
Ian, you're gonna tell me that THOSE Drums are NOT overpowering???



Yes Lee, I'm going to tell you just that...they weren't overpowering...I could hear all the other instruments very well, something that you don't hear on the Audya, at least on the demos I've heard.

What's funny is Nielshs' comments that the drums were weak, and that the "snares, kicks and hihat etc. are not good enough".

Maybe not for him they aren't, and perhaps you too, and that's just your opinions...they certainly are excellent for many more of us who don't share those views.

Doesn't make you or him wrong or right...just different, and that's always going to happen on a forum with such wide tastes in how drums should or shouldn't sound.

Ian
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#292700 - 09/10/10 08:35 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
travlin'easy Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Telmo,

Outstanding arrangement. You really make the T3 sound fantastic, the balance is excellent and the drum quality is superb.

Thanks for your efforts,

Gary
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#292701 - 09/10/10 09:12 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
leeboy Offline
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Loc: Ocala, FL USA
Ian,
I like it all. On some music I want those drums to be very clear and a little louder in the mix...for others, I want them a little subdued...background like.

So, my peference is to have very clear real sonding drums and percussion using top notch samples and effects...but, then I can control the loudness as I like while playing. All arraners can adj. the volume of parts...but the clarity has to be there.

If you listen to the current workstaions from Yamaha, Korg, Kurzweil etc. the samples are superb. I think they could do lots better on the samples for arrangers, in general. On synthes...sound is everything.

One of the things I heard is the T4 drums will be greatly improved...if that is true..then someone else agrees with some of us that improvement was needed/dsired.

Lee S.
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#292702 - 09/10/10 09:14 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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lee its not just the Drum Volume we are refering to....

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#292703 - 09/10/10 09:23 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by leeboy:
Ian,
One of the things I heard is the T4 drums will be greatly improved...if that is true..then someone else agrees with some of us that improvement was needed/dsired.

Lee S.


They might be "improved" to suit your taste, Lee, but Audya could also improve their drums to suit those already happy with Yamaha's sound.

The volume of the bass and drums on the Audya demos I have heard, overpower the audio guitars, and other instruments in the style.

Many arranger players make the mistake of having the entire accompaniment volume too low, and all one really hears is the solo instrument.

Balance is very important whether you're in a "live" band or playing an arranger.

Ian
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#292704 - 09/10/10 09:44 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
The Audya has dedicated volume sliders for drums, bass, chords, left and lead parts. If the bass is too loud, it takes a split second to slide it down. Same with drums.
This is also true for vocal and vocal harmony parts, midi, wav, loop and MP3s.
The T3 demos sound very good for this type of music. It shouldn't be necessary to have to edit the drums to make them sound passable though.
Turn on the Audya or a Roland and it sounds good just as it comes from the factory. This is not so on any of the recent Yamahas that I've owned. They all needed extensive e.q. and style balance editing.
Yamaha has many wonderful features and sounds. It's just that the drums are the weakest part, in my opinion.
Show me a good rim shot on the Tyros and I'll shut up.
DonM




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#292705 - 09/10/10 09:49 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:

Show me a good rim shot on the Tyros and I'll shut up.
DonM


Try Variation 4 on the BEBOP style on Tyros3

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#292706 - 09/10/10 10:14 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
SemiLiveMusic Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 2206
Loc: Louisiana, USA
About all I can say is that Telmo, this is an awesome demo. Maybe later I will give some comments about the drums. For now... this is awesome, you are very talented. I enjoyed it and it would pass just fine for 99% of everybody.
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#292707 - 09/10/10 10:16 PM Re: Tyros 3 IS NOT so Weak on DRUMS, is it??
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by DonM:
The Audya has dedicated volume sliders for drums, bass, chords, left and lead parts. If the bass is too loud, it takes a split second to slide it down. Same with drums.




True, no doubt, Don...it's just that all the demos I have heard have the drums and bass overepowering the rest, and that appears to sound "balanced" to some here.

Ian
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