Some people may state that Tyros3 Drums is a Weak part of this very flexible arranger,but others may not agree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k13yFygBYRU

I still enjoy playing mine. Best regards, Telmo.


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Telmo, there ain't nothing weak about those drums, and your playing is exceptional.

The Tyros3 sounds incredible.

Very nice work all around.

Ian

Temo this is what i am talking about!!!!! Where the hell have you been when i was on my own on the other threads when i was making the point about what could be done on an arranger with a little creativity ????

What you have done here very beautifully and emphatically demonstrates the point i was trying (in vain to some) to make.

And thanks for explaining what you are doing on the video itself. It might be helpful if you give a more full explanation here as i am sure they are tips we could all use to get more creative with these awesome instruments.

This is outstanding work !!!
Very well done.

[This message has been edited by spalding1968 (edited 09-10-2010).]

THAT WAS FANTASTIC,There are alot of things you can do with a tyros that you can't do with an audya and some things that a tyros don't do well. But that kind of stuff you just played is a WOW! Great sound and great playing. Just got my Audya 5 a few days ago and it sounds great as well. I think I need them both after listening to that performance. Good work.
Gordon in Monroe.

Telmo...

Very nice job....
I enjoyed it and the background scenery too!! Tyros 3 sounds fantastic all around!

Telmo, nice preformance.

The T3 drums are weak, besides the tom's you are using in your preformance (added lots of reverb). The snares, kicks and hihat etc. are not good enough.

Niels

I just want to thank very much Ian, Spalding, Mr. Gordon,and Dnj for all the kind comments and compliments regarding one of my video performance. For me, Tyros3 is all about sound and versatility for playing live. That's why I like to film the Tyros Display where you can see all Voices, chords, Style and Tempo being used. Tyros 3 is a great arranger indeed. Greetings from Brazil, Telmo.

You forgot to thank nielshs for his kind comments.


BTW you have shown that one can be creative even with a T3.

Telmo,
great Demo, great mix, and playing, thanks


Ian, you're gonna tell me that THOSE Drums are NOT overpowering???

Thanks "to the genesys" for the positive comments and also for reminding me about Niels comments. I believe Niels had just posted his comments at the same time I was posting my reply. Thanks a lot Niels for your comments.Thanks Leezone for the kind words.
God bless you all and happy playing.
Telmo.

Telmo,
Very nice indeed...I really enjoyed it.
Nice ly arranged and played.

BUT, If you want drums and percussion...this is what I like ( I love Gloria and Miami).
A group in which there is talant everywhere. From drums to singers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A7CVrBFC7M&feature=related

Lee S.

Yes Lee, I'm going to tell you just that...they weren't overpowering...I could hear all the other instruments very well, something that you don't hear on the Audya, at least on the demos I've heard.

What's funny is Nielshs' comments that the drums were weak, and that the "snares, kicks and hihat etc. are not good enough".

Maybe not for him they aren't, and perhaps you too, and that's just your opinions...they certainly are excellent for many more of us who don't share those views.

Doesn't make you or him wrong or right...just different, and that's always going to happen on a forum with such wide tastes in how drums should or shouldn't sound.

Ian

Telmo,

Outstanding arrangement. You really make the T3 sound fantastic, the balance is excellent and the drum quality is superb.

Thanks for your efforts,

Gary

Ian,
I like it all. On some music I want those drums to be very clear and a little louder in the mix...for others, I want them a little subdued...background like.

So, my peference is to have very clear real sonding drums and percussion using top notch samples and effects...but, then I can control the loudness as I like while playing. All arraners can adj. the volume of parts...but the clarity has to be there.

If you listen to the current workstaions from Yamaha, Korg, Kurzweil etc. the samples are superb. I think they could do lots better on the samples for arrangers, in general. On synthes...sound is everything.

One of the things I heard is the T4 drums will be greatly improved...if that is true..then someone else agrees with some of us that improvement was needed/dsired.

Lee S.

lee its not just the Drum Volume we are refering to....

They might be "improved" to suit your taste, Lee, but Audya could also improve their drums to suit those already happy with Yamaha's sound.

The volume of the bass and drums on the Audya demos I have heard, overpower the audio guitars, and other instruments in the style.

Many arranger players make the mistake of having the entire accompaniment volume too low, and all one really hears is the solo instrument.

Balance is very important whether you're in a "live" band or playing an arranger.

Ian

The Audya has dedicated volume sliders for drums, bass, chords, left and lead parts. If the bass is too loud, it takes a split second to slide it down. Same with drums.
This is also true for vocal and vocal harmony parts, midi, wav, loop and MP3s.
The T3 demos sound very good for this type of music. It shouldn't be necessary to have to edit the drums to make them sound passable though.
Turn on the Audya or a Roland and it sounds good just as it comes from the factory. This is not so on any of the recent Yamahas that I've owned. They all needed extensive e.q. and style balance editing.
Yamaha has many wonderful features and sounds. It's just that the drums are the weakest part, in my opinion.
Show me a good rim shot on the Tyros and I'll shut up.
DonM




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Try Variation 4 on the BEBOP style on Tyros3

About all I can say is that Telmo, this is an awesome demo. Maybe later I will give some comments about the drums. For now... this is awesome, you are very talented. I enjoyed it and it would pass just fine for 99% of everybody.

True, no doubt, Don...it's just that all the demos I have heard have the drums and bass overepowering the rest, and that appears to sound "balanced" to some here.

Ian

this post isnt about the audya. Its about how the T3 can be edited and used creatively to make astonishingly beautiful music. If Telmo was into hard hitting RnB or blues or rock,jazz , salsa, House or whatever he could edit the machine to make it sound authentic in those styles if he had the skills (not technical skill because those are aparent) but music skills for those genre's.

Once again Telmo thanks for some beautiful work, i have listened to all your arrangements (some of which never used a single style in the traditional sense which should be noted). Its this kind of creativity that you have demonstrated with an arranger that i am talking about. Some of the compositions you have done if not most are comparable with anything i have heard from any workstation for this style of music.

DonM mentioned sliders on the Audya for quick volume control of drums, etc. (same on my Pa1XPro). So what do the sliders on a T3 do?

They do exactly the same thing.

Cheers,

Gary

I've long said that simply turning UP the drums in just about ANY style or performance I've heard on the Yamaha's would be a step in the right direction (Yamaha market these things primarily to home players - people that think, for some misguided reason, that the keyboard part is the most important sound in the mix!), and this tune has definitely got them turned up enough...

But, I'm sad to say, firstly, no fault to the player - that's what this kind of music sounds like, but it is SO eighties! Drenched in reverb, huge, simple parts whacking away with little 'inside' stuff going on, this is hardly a challenge for the drum section. And hardly any indicator of whether Yamaha's drums are mistakenly maligned. More contemporary acoustic drum using music nowadays relies on a LOT of 'ghosting', subtle hi-hat and snare work, and generally is VERY much drier, but with a lot of 'room' around the samples. In a big bombastic production like this (once again, no fault of the player, that's just how the music is) little of this is exposed. And THAT, IMO is where the Yamaha's have so far not shown their capability (if they even have it).

IMO, any modern TOTL arranger's drum kits should ALL be at least four-way vel-switched samples (and preferably a LOT more) so that dynamics and timbral nuance come back into a sound that cries out for it. Perhaps Yamaha's drums can sound good in specific situations, but a drum kit that doesn't NEED extensive work to sound realistic, and especially for those arrangers that allow velocity scaling of sounds based on how hard you are playing the keyboard (so the band follows YOU rather than the other way round), realism and detail doesn't depend on it always being hit the same way.

BFD, EZDrummer, many software drum libraries are showing that incredibly life-like performances can be got from very basic kits... no gobs of reverb, no one velocity snares, none of that. Just DETAIL, from the quietest hit to the loudest. THAT is what we should be shooting for. If I want to perform Vangelis or Kitaro (guys that used some pretty basic drum machines in their day!), I wouldn't have an issue. But I'd maybe like to do some Jason Mraz, or Dave Mathews from time to time... and THAT kit isn't going to cut it at all.

That WAS a nice performance, no doubt about it. But, for me at least, hardly shows Yamaha as having the best drums in an arranger. You can take just about ANY Yamaha style, turn up the drums a bit, and get that. And it still really doesn't give a G70 or a PA2X a run for their money, let alone the REAL recorded drums in an Audya.

JMO... as always!