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#292847 - 09/15/10 04:51 PM
Re: TYROS 4 Now I'm Excited!!!!
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Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 1155
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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
T'was the night before Xmas,
And alone in his house.
Old Genny was posting,
With keyboard and mouse.
His gig bag was hung,
By the chimney with care,
In hopes that a keyboard,
Soon will be there.
He's writing to SZ,
To Nigel and friends,
He's been very naughty,
And must make amends.
All he'd been posting,
Was circular patter,
He can't figure out,
Just what is the matter...
With Yamaha's marketing,
And why they are missing,
Fifteen little keys,
And he starts reminiscing...
About an arranger
The 9000 Pro,
And he says it's to blame
For Yamaha's "NO"
'Cause that's the reply,
That comes from Japan.
But Genny won't listen
He's a strong minded man.
He says, "Yamaha's wrong,
And they can't see the need.
For a 76'er
So they'll never succeed."
He harps and wails,
"Why don't they see?"
"Their marketing mavens,
Can't be smarter than me."
He sighs as he gets
A moment of clarity.
And he's suddenly convinced,
Of the wise singularity...
Of Yamaha's purpose,
And, he finally chimes,
"Their wisdom's not flawless,
But it's greater than mine."
And as he pressed "send",.
We heard him exclaim.
"I'll have to ask Ian
What 'no' means again."
[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 09-15-2010).] Hay that was good. Glad to see you learned something in kindergarten. I guess being the class clown is something that you are good at. I think you are doing a good thing by not continuing to talk about business and marketing since you have shown you know nothing about those topics. When Ian does not and can not have something sensible to say to facts and reason, he plays the class clown So happy finger-painting Ian. Us mature people will continue to talk about Yamaha improving their arrangers where the MOTL and TOTL can have 15 extra keys.
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#292848 - 09/15/10 05:36 PM
Re: TYROS 4 Now I'm Excited!!!!
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki: I am pretty sure that this has NOTHING to do with market research. ...  Wrong again. It has everything to do with market research, and nothing to do with your inaccurate assumptions. It still boils down to the indisputable fact that Yamaha is not making a 76'er...all your crying and weeping and badgering after the Tyros, Tyros2/3 did absolutely no good at all...just as sure as the sun will rise in full splendor, or behind a veil of clouds, the Tyros4 arrived with 61 keys. They have said "NO" to 76 and you are having a problem accepting it. It's your problem, not mine. Your inability to understand the word "NO", is amazing, and it is rapidly becoming obvious that you have no argument in your favor whatsoever and you are just being stubborn. Accept the facts, and learn to deal with them, son, or you're going to give yourself another mental hernia. Ian
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Yamaha Tyros4, Yamaha MS-60S Powered Monitors(2), Yamaha CS-01, Yamaha TQ-5, Yamaha PSR-S775.
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#292849 - 09/15/10 06:05 PM
Re: TYROS 4 Now I'm Excited!!!!
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki:
It has NOTHING to do with what the customer wants. we are the LAST thing on their minds. It is all about internal divisional rivalry, pure and simple.
Wrong again. It has EVERYTHING to do with what the customers want...the majority want 61 keys...there are not enough indicated in extensive surveys to warrant a 76'er. The DGX instruments are pianos with some arranger features...they are meant to compete with Casio. They do very well at what they are designed for, which is primarily, a home digital piano with some goodies. No divisional rivalry...that's long gone by the wayside, and only was really happening way, way back with the CVP Clavinova and the Electone division, an odd pair of combatants, but true nevertheless. That was settled long ago. The arranger division and the pro workstation division have been working together quite nicely ever since the days of the PSR-8000/9000/9000Pro, and even more so with the introduction of the Tyros arrangers. So, don't give yourself another breakdown, and just feel confident that every thing is hunky dory. No more conflicts, except for the ones you are inventing. You do a lot of that on SZ...why? Unhappy with yourself? What's really amusing, is that you (and Genny) believe you are smarter at marketing than a whole team of well chosen and highly educated experts, many of which are pro musicians. They aren't just "suits"...they know the industry from many angles. Get those big egos down to a manageable size, guys...I'd hate to have to buy hats for both of you...the amount of material alone would be outrageous, to fit over those swelled heads.  And look up the word "NO" in your little dictionaries...you haven't grasped the meaning at all. Ian
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#292852 - 09/15/10 06:53 PM
Re: TYROS 4 Now I'm Excited!!!!
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Member
Registered: 07/31/08
Posts: 570
Loc: Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
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quote "ianmcnll
Member posted 09-15-2010 06:05 PM
Wrong again.
No divisional rivalry...that's long gone by the wayside, and only was really happening way, way back with the CVP Clavinova and the Electone division, an odd pair of combatants, but true nevertheless.
That was settled long ago.
The arranger division and the pro workstation division have been working together quite nicely ever since the days of the PSR-8000/9000/9000Pro, and even more so with the introduction of the Tyros arrangers.
So, don't give yourself another breakdown, and just feel confident that every thing is hunky dory.
No more conflicts, except for the ones you are inventing." End quote.
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Ian, can you explain then why the Tyros, even the 4 will only have the CVP sampled piano instead of the grand samples in the Motif XF, and also why did the Tyros have extra ram when there were never any delivered samples such as in the free ones for the Motif series. They had no intention of offering samples of the quality of the Motif series for Tyros owners.
Also the price difference between the models suggests that the Tyros should be a far superior beast with a combination of all aspects of Motif and Tyros but it's not and never will be.
Come on, once again, if I said to a client here is a choice 61 keys 76 keys what is wrong with that, and tooling should have been easy, the motif has the cases they just needed to be filled. Its a lame argument Ian, you must be starting to think we are the all day suckers for the Tyros series. (I have a Tyros 3 love it, also a Audya 76 love it better, wont be heading to a Tyros 4)
Rob
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#292856 - 09/15/10 08:40 PM
Re: TYROS 4 Now I'm Excited!!!!
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Senior Member
Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Let's atart again, and please ignore the 61 vs 76 debate...the Tyros4 has 61 keys, like it or lump it. It also has all these great features, that Donny had [posted at the beginning of the thread. Hardware Double Wave Memory 512Mb ROM Faster processor - So it's faster in navigating and tighter in sound Flash memory - instead of the DIMMs VH2 - new vocal harmony technology and Synth Vocoder XLR Mic input Software Slightly changed Organ Flutes GUI with the inclusion of a Euro type Drum Mixer - make and balance your own Drum Kits Wave Cycling - For vocals New Vocal Harmony Interface 'Ambient' Sampling Improved SA2 voicing technology with additional layer. SA2 Voices in Styles Content Better Pianos - Using CLP technology including Key off and Damper samples. new Strings - 70 piece Seattle Symphony Orchestra Mega. new Orchestral Brass - highly dynamic new Tuned Percussion - Glock, Xylo, Marimba and Vibes (with motor on) new Mega guitars - telecaster with Finger and Plectrum new Drums - Real Brushes and Real Drums plus 4 Dance Kits SA2 Celtic Violin SA2 Jazz Violin SA2 Ballad Soprano Sax SA2 Pop Soprano Sax new Organs - Vox continental and Wersi Helios included new Synth Voices - from Motif XF new Classical Choir - Men and Boys Choirs. Very expressive with the ambience of the Cathedral new Gospel Choir - Various articulations and Ad libs new Pop Vocals - 4 session singers, 2 male and 2 female. Singing many dynamics and many articulations. Wave cycling enables this to work 500 styles, many completely new. All styles upgraded with new voices including SA2 voices. plus more... the sound is the biggest upgrade we have ever offered. It appears it has been shown in the US already. http://www.ocala.com/article/20100915/articles/100919797&tc=yahoo?tc=ar The sound quality of the video is pretty bad. It was seen at Yamaha Canada headquarters last month, and it was a real mind blower. I hope to have one here before Christmas, and more hopefully, at the end of October or early in November. Ian
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