Are You aware of the importance of this change ...
In the long run, this opens up for creative articulation of voices in styles. And that could make the T4 a future proof keyboard for many years to come …
Yes , the T4 can use SA/SA2 voices in styles! Think about the implications of that for a moment …

STYLE CREATION
Tyros4 – Reference Manual, page 42
"Recordable Voices NOTE
• RHY1 channel: Any except your original Organ Flutes Voices are recordable.
• RHY2 channel: Only drum/SFX kits are recordable.
• BASS–PHR2 channels: Any except your original Organ Flutes and drum/
SFX kits Voices are recordable."

Tyros3 – Reference Manual, page 37
"Recordable Voices NOTE
• RHY1 channel: Any except your original Organ Flute, SA and SA2 Voices
are recordable.
• RHY2 channel: Only drum/SFX kits are recordable.
• BASS–PHR2 channels: Any except your original Organ Flute, drum/SFX
kits, SA and SA2 Voices are recordable."

But, why is this not also allowed for multipads? It makes no sense logically or technically. Think of all the pretty things one could create for general use. What a potential palette of wonderful articulated musical phrases . I don´t think it´s likely that this is due to limitations of the processor speed. But, if it´s on the edge processor wise then let the player choose to optimize (simplify) the simultaneous style, with the goal to reduce the processor load. So, the use of SA/SA2 in multipads should be the choice of the player and not a “locked” feature …

MULTIPAD CREATION
Tyros4 – Reference Manual, page 78
"The SA, SA2 and Organ Flutes Voices
cannot be recorded. If one of these
Voices is set for RIGHT1 part, it will be
replaced with a Piano Voice."

CONCLUSION
Many, many thanks Yamaha, for the possibility to use SA/SA2 in styles!
Hopefully, many loyal Yamaha keyboard players shouldn´t have to wait for the Tyros5 to see that feature “unlocked”.
So, Yamaha, could you please - if it´s technically possible and for a reasonable fee - through a (downloadable) software update unlock the restriction of using SA/SA2 in multipads.


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OF COURSE Yamaha could have EASILY allowed SA sounds in multipads. They could probably just as easily allowed Organ Flute voices in a style or multipads, too, especially if you weren't using the engine for keyboard sounds (I know there is probably a limitation to how many Parts this engine can play, but if you aren't using it for keyboard sounds, it's available...)

But how are they going to get you to sell your T4 and buy a T5 (and then the T6, T7... T1000) if they do?

Perhaps you are right Diki...maybe that's how these successful companies stay in business.

Of course, it's easy to assume anythings "easy" when you have no real knowledge of the Tyros 4's operating system.

We could assume that Roland could have made the G-70's guitar mode more effective, but, I guess they are waiting to put it in the G-70's successor.

We could also assume that Korg could have easily used Karma in the PA2XPro, and extended the usefulness of their guitar mode, but, they are probably waiting to put these things in the PA3XPro...

They have to make people buy G-80's (and then the G-90's and 100's)) and PA3X, and PA4XPros ad infinitum, don't they?

Seems more common practice than you think, eh?

Ian

This seems like a really dumb topic. I don't think that people buy an arranger keyboard so that they can record organs on a drum track.

Big deal that you cannot record multipads using SA2 voices. There are so many multipads already on the keyboard For the few who do want to create their own multipads, there are so many other voices to record multipads with.

It's a dumb topic, because who's going to not buy a keyboard because of this stuff?

This is really nitpicky stuff.

Beakybird

Can you use SA and SA2 voice in RH1, RH2 and RH3? or LH for that matter?
Yeah...I could look in the manual...but looks like others have studied it already :-)

Lee S.

It's not about Organ Flutes on a rhythm channel. You can't have the Organ Flutes on ANY style channel (if I'm reading this right).

Ian, thing is, I'm not playing a G70 After I bought it, Roland added the Guitar Mode (Yamaha would have brought out another Tyros to do this). Then they added per Part EQ (Yamaha would have brought out yet ANOTHER Tyros to add this). Then they added all KINDS of things to it...

So, I am really playing that G90 you talk about. For free... Enjoy your next incremental update. I have certainly enjoyed all of mine. But, then again, that's easier when you don't have to pay through the nose for them

Maybe Roland should have done like Yamaha and then they would be better able to stay in the TOTL arranger business. Yamaha, and by extention Iana, have realised that doing what is good for the consumer is not always good for the business.

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Roland didn't leave the field of play because they brought out updates instead of new models. Ian knows this full well, he just likes to try to get a rise out of me (beats tapping trees for maple syrup, I guess!).

Roland shot themselves in the foot marketing the G70 (and the previous V/VA series hadn't exactly set the world on fire, as different to the G1000 as they were), and were already a distant third to Korg and Yamaha by this time. Plus, Roland had never significantly updated PREVIOUS arrangers (as much as the V/VA series needed one!). So, scratch that as another misguided attempt by Ian to deflect criticism of Yamaha...

Ian also LOVES to ignore the fact that Korg are still robust, still selling well (comparatively) and still making great arrangers, despite the fact that they added, in effect, SA capabilities in a free update, Ketron are still doing OK, despite updating the Audya VERY deeply, and both of these companies have absolutely no problem making and selling arrangers in both 61 and 76 sizes. But all you hear is 'Roland this, Roland that'... Life would be SO much easier if it weren't for reality, eh, Ian?

It appears Roland made three mistakes...

1. Bringing out updates instead of new models.

2. Poor marketing of the G-70.

3. No markedly new technology to bring to the table.

Pour some maple syrup on those facts, son, and they may be easier to chew on.

Ian

Here we go again!