To be fair, most of those complaining about Yamaha drums HAVE 'moved on', out of sheer necessity. But you can be assured, they are only complaining because there is so much ELSE that is really very good with Yamaha arrangers. Not much point singling out the drums if you hate everything ELSE, too..!

What REALLY astounds me is that, given that the Tyros's have a sampler, why Yamaha themselves haven't grabbed the best samples and kits out of the Motif line (or the DTX drum series) and created a compatible drum kit or two with the punch that these people like (Tyros is often poorly compared to the Motif line's drums, even by people that have BOTH) as a sampler load. Sell it for their usual inflated prices, and garner a whole boatload more Yamaha converts waiting (apparently interminably) for this ONE feature...

Another missed opportunity, IMO.

good point Diki,

why not give the Yamaha arranger world a CHOICE of the drums,
the existing + the MOTIF drums,

they may have kept a few of the AUDYA converts, just NOT me

I sincerely believe that if Yamaha provided an option where you could import the drum kits from their entire line, plus drum kits from EVERY other manufacturer, the increase in sales would be minuscule at best. Keep in mind that some folks will bitch if they were hung with a brand-new rope. Consequently, I usually don't put a lot of stock in the constant Yamaha naysayers. It appears as if they thoroughly enjoy bitching and moaning about something--right or wrong.

Someone posted that you should just learn to play the keyboard you have. I agree. Diki and I have both posted that most people will never take the time to explore the possibilities of their arrangers. I agree with his statement as well.

One last thing. Several years ago Fran posted that the only way he would ever sell his G-1000 was when someone pried it from his dead, gnarled fingers, or something along those lines. Since then he has tried damned near every keyboard that has ever been manufactured. His G-1000 is long gone, and he's wowing huge audiences on Atlantic City's Boardwalk with his G-70 hooked up to a couple 16-watt, peak-power, stereo speakers spaced an inch apart. Yessah! I still believe in the Tooth Fairy!

Cheers,

Gary

Yamaha is hitting it's target market for arrangers, which are primarily advanced home users with a smattering of pros using them for gigs.

Ian

Gary quote.."One last thing. Several years ago Fran posted that the only way he would ever sell his G-1000 was when someone pried it from his dead, gnarled fingers, or something along those lines. Since then he has tried damned near every keyboard that has ever been manufactured. His G-1000 is long gone, and he's wowing huge audiences on Atlantic City's Boardwalk with his G-70 hooked up to a couple 16-watt, peak-power, stereo speakers spaced an inch apart. Yessah! I still believe in the Tooth Fairy! "


Gary are you drinking too much Kickapoo juice again?


Not one factual truth in the entire paragraph...


The longevity stay of the G1000..was evident until something better came along (G70), I had them both side by side for a year before I sold the G1000..and how about..I made a profit on the G1000..

Secondly, I never wowed anyone on the Atlantic City boardwalk....in fact I never played the AC boardwalk... I think you are confused..we wowed them at Sea Isle boardwalk...with Yorkville sound system..

And as for 16 watt peak...foolish talk..They are Roland typical not overrated numbers..30 watt stereo.... and it will out perform any other low wattage system that I know of....It is a great all around tool, for effects , preamp, monitor or main Pa for small and mid size jobs...BA330 is a winner..

Now the G70 remains ..until someone makes something better to cause me to replace it..so far Yamaha hasn't..Korg Hasn't...and Ketron still has a few things to improve to make me think of as a replacement...

Go ahead and pour another drink..it is late enough in the day...

Fran,

Do the math. Hmmmm. Maybe you don't know how to use OHM'S LAW. The power consumption is 410 mA at 12-volts DC. That translates to 4.9-watts--not 30, but who's counting.

I apologize for confusing my NJ Boardwalks--I usually try to avoid them--too many kids.

However, yes, you made that statement about never selling the G-1000. One day, when I have nothing better to do, I'll dig it up. Granted it was a long time ago, but even after a dozen glasses of Joy Juice I can usually recall things from long ago. Don't you wish you could do the same?

so far Yamaha hasn't..Korg Hasn't...and Ketron still has a few things to improve to make me think of as a replacement...

Like I said, you've tried them all. And, from what you've said, sold them for a profit--at least on the G-1000. Does the same statement apply to all those amps you've had?

Maybe you should take up drinkin'--it works for me!

Gary

I would bet Ian would take a Tyros 4 over the S910 all things being equal. Who wouldn't?


BTW Experience and knowledge can indeed be mutually exclusive. Someone with your age and tenure should know that. Especially when it involves ever changing technology where experience becomes quickly outdated and knowledge is king. If yo have ever interviewed anyone for a position you would run into the the dilemma of hiring knowledge vs experience...

Obama has little experience and a lot of knowledge. Some believe he is doing a great job with that knowledge .Others believe he is woefully inexperienced and it shows. He was voted into power based solely on knowledge though. No one cared if he had any executive or leadership experience.

In any case it seems to me the loudest protesters to the Yamaha Brand are those who would never consider owning one and take those to task who actually prefer Yamaha and consider it the best possible solution for their needs. Constant complaining about what Yamaha doesn't have or how terrible Yamaha voices are, or the slick "CD quality" yet not "CD quality" but not "raw" live sound....Yet Yamaha dealers will get $5000 for a 61 key Tyros that will never see another 15 keys or sound "live" It is my "experience" People who choose Yamaha over the Korg don't WANT "live" They prefer the "smoother compressed" sound of the Yamaha.

I believe that is because that is what THEY are used to hearing when they listen to prerecorded music themselves and want their audience to hear the same.

"CD like" is often associated with Yamaha Arrangers by those who buy them and for that very reason. The buyers re not mixing engineers. They are music consumers. Yamaha sounds like what they buy out of the box.

One doesn't need 60 years in the music retail business to understand that simple fact. Yet so many cannot grasp the "why"....and despise Yamaha for ignoring their opinions which are contrary to those who are and will always be Yamaha Arranger customers

Note taken on "spell check" Just getting used to a new Android phone...LOL

I wouldn't.....Tyros units are TOO BIG for my needs to drag around day in & day out ......The S series is perfect for gigging musicians in teh trenches everyday, & many times 2x,a day to set up...no need for all the tyros fluff.....I've had 2 Tyros units so far T1,T2, as much as I liked playing them for the reasons above I sold them both...but I continue to enjoy the S900,S910, and probably the New S920?.....very soon.........Tyros is great for studio work...but no need for all the wasted real estate.

The reason Yamaha continues to put "mediocre" Drum Kits in their TOTL arrangers and people will still pay through the nose for a 61 key flagship product" is because they CAN. That is what their longtime base of users WANT. They don't want 76 keys in a metal case.....They DO want a slick compressed sound.

Yamaha will not make a 76 Key Tyros. Evidence? They have not to this day....and have raised prices $1000 in 3 years and have sold all the boards they make. Where is the inclination for them to do things any differently. They own the WS market and the Arranger market when you add in the CVPs. They see no reason to placate the minority who may or may not buy their wares "IF ONLY" and risk losing those who are satisfied.

They have done some new things with their drums on the Tyros 4 but they still won't satisfy those who are biased against the brand. Those of us Yamaha Kool-Aid drinkers don;t expect more than they deliver and although I am disappointing they added an XLR without 48Volt Phantom power, I understand I am in the minority. Those Tyros owners who don't like Yamaha drums are also in the minority. If they weren't Yamaha would address the issues. Those who want 76 keys in a heavier metal case are in the minority.

Yamaha has plenty of keyboards that have those features which is why I personally use both the XS8 and the Tyros. Where one fails the other succeeds. They also don;t want to cannibalize their other lines for the sake of a few whiners.

Yep..no 76...no better drums...no in your face sound in general...Once a PSR always a PSR.Same group doing the marketing & R&D...why would it change.

When Yamaha had the Electone organ...they had PSR's then. The folks lookng for the features in the Electone were not interestd in the PSR (me included in that gang) the folks that wanted the PSR's did not want an Electone.

They sell a H of a lot more PSR's than Electones. But the profit/unit is probably less.

Yamaha blew away the Electones here in US...so away went the customers (me) that wanted more PRO features in an instrument.
They pease the Piano folks with Clavanova's.

So...in a way there is a whole group out here that Yamaha does not address. Some of us would love to have a Yamaha again...there really do know what their doing in R&D when they do an instrument.

Fortuneately there is other choices so we don't have to be without. But, in a way...I do feal abandoned. Poor Me :-)

Lee S.