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#29549 - 10/01/07 10:25 PM
midi filter bug in sd1+ ..Q for AJ
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Registered: 01/31/06
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i'll pose this question, but i expect the answer will have to come from AJ,... in the GM window, when i want to filter midi RX (page 7, in 16 parts mode), i filter all 16 midi channels from receiving, however when i go back out and then re-enter the GM page EVERYTHING is filtered out on every page, both TX and RX.. note on note off, effects, volumes etc etc when all i want is to filter RX ONLY as i am using an external module to reproduce midi files using the sd as the "player", and i dont want the file reproduced on the sd1+ as well....what happens if you dont filter the RX is it still affects the overall polyphony and you get note dropouts when playing keyboard parts live(just using the balance button combo to mute does not stop the midifile using sd1 notes, just the volume).........AJ can you explain if this is a software bug (pretty major one too imo) or simply a shortcoming of the SD1+? thanks dennis
[This message has been edited by miden (edited 10-01-2007).]
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#29550 - 10/02/07 06:30 PM
Re: midi filter bug in sd1+ ..Q for AJ
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Registered: 01/31/06
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yep, its about the sort of reply i have come to expect from AJ...he is happy to post heaps when he wants to sell something, but a bit of help with one of the worst operating systems going on a keyboard, and he is nowhere to be found...okay for you people in the states who can phone...there is no tech support at all in australia, the dealer, nice as he is, does not have much technical knowledge, and even he cannot get answers from ketron, i know, because we have already tried on several issues!!!!
.....So perhaps the rumours ARE true Ketron might be going "belly-up", no response at all from ketron italy, on more than this problem, all we get from the "ketron tech guru" is him selling off other brands of keyboards all the time, makes you wonder!!!
[This message has been edited by miden (edited 10-02-2007).]
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#29564 - 10/14/07 04:07 AM
Re: midi filter bug in sd1+ ..Q for AJ
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Registered: 01/31/06
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hey rikki, the patch is selected from within the midi file playing the motif rack (pretty much a standard controller board setup, except the data is being issued form the midi files i have set up....as for sysex, the yamaha is brilliant as everything pretty much is run via controller messages so it makes it easy to program...i am using my own midi config, and yes the sysex has been disabled, it was one of the first things i did when setting it up,not that it really matters as the only sysex file that affects all keyboards is the GM reset (GS, XG for example, whilst similar only work for roland and yamaha boards respectively, as you would already know) so its really a misnomer as its not exclusive to a particular board, all others are keyboard specific ......as i said i am now certain its something to do with the selection of a track for driving the harmoniser...there is something the sd does, which is not documented anywhere BUT, i will figure it out!!! cheers dennis
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#29567 - 10/14/07 10:58 PM
Re: midi filter bug in sd1+ ..Q for AJ
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Registered: 01/31/06
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hi rikki, well problem solved with a workaround...as i mentioned earlier the motif runs mostly on controller messages, and its the simplest answers that are the hardest to get to!!! all i did was open my editor program for the motif and block controller messages to the harmoniser channel, and eureka everything works as it should...going on the specs, it looks like the default assignment for the motif es is for controller 16 to affect sample amplitude, so what was happening with a value of 0, was the turning off the main waveform for the sound which left that hollow dull sounding second sample as the only one audible, this seems to be a universal control, but i am awaiting confirmation from the yammie gurus to confirm...but it now all works, so i won't have to diss the sd after all which is god coz it would have got less than 1500 out here....thanks for all your efforts on this one rikki, its appreciated.. all the best dennis
PS i still reckon the midi implementation on the sd sux, for higher than GM levels anyway, and it would be nice for ketron to fix up the filter pages, but hey its happening now, so let sleeping dogs lie....
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#29570 - 10/20/07 07:15 PM
Re: midi filter bug in sd1+ ..Q for AJ
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Registered: 01/31/06
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hi aj, thanks for the reply... i think i have figured out that controller 16 is also recognised by the motif rack, by way of controlling one of the software switches which in default mode is connected to the voice element section (there are 4 elements to each voice o the motif, as you would probably know)..
so to solve this... (and i have to admit, it was an issue, not problem, with the motif NOT the sd1+...after all both units were doing waht they were programmed to)...
all i did was turn off the software switch in the motif for controller 16, and all is good.
The F6 midi button functions I did save to the power-on setup, and that works fine...
However, the problem I am still having (and I tried it again whilst writing this) is the F1 GM fields..
It still mutes everything(including TX)when I mute out the RX on channels 1-14 and 16..to clarify I will outline the steps i take when doing this:
(1) press F1---(2) press F10 16parts----
(3) press page button to page 7/7--- (4) mute RX on channels 1-14+16 ---- (5) press exit to go back to main page...
Then when i re-enter the F1 Gm screens, press the 16 parts button, every page shows up all cahnnels muted (not 15), now this would be fine, as I would assume it just affected the RX on these pages, BUT if you scroll to page 6 Gm Part TX, they are all muted as well???
So that is the problem I need to sort out..PLUS,
and sorry about this but another one!!
When i set up my own effects (F2) they save okay so that when I start the SD they are recalled, but when you enter the PLAY mode by pressing the play button under the SONG tab, the effects default back to the THEATRE default..how can I set it so that my amended default setting also applies to song section too? Thanks, and sorry it is such a long reply. cheers dennis
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