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#295986 - 10/21/10 03:30 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
spalding1968 Offline
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Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 1264
Loc: United Kingdom
you dont get it Diki. It takes too much effort to get your money when there are so many other people willing to give them theirs.

Theres an old African proverb

'If you want a fruit from a tree plentiful tree, only a fool climbs to the highest branch .....'

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#295987 - 10/21/10 03:33 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14269
Loc: NW Florida
Quote:
Originally posted by spalding1968:
'If you want a fruit from a tree plentiful tree, only a fool climbs to the highest branch .....'



But if you want your enemy to starve, you pick them ALL...
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#295988 - 10/21/10 03:37 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki:
Why's it MY job? Either Yamaha want my money or they don't.



They don't need your money, Diki, really, they don't.

They don't make what you want.

Simply buy elsewhere.

You want a 76 PSR, others want a 76 Tyros...it seems no one is clear on exactly what is wanted.

Korg doesn't make what you want either, yet you aren't campaigning Korg.

Why aren't you pressing Roland to get back in the 76 note market?

They obviously don't need your money either.

Ian
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#295989 - 10/21/10 04:03 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14269
Loc: NW Florida
You carefully avoided my question, Ian... (as always)

Which of the two is the easier sell? Who better than you to decide? And, with your demo-ing skills, you honestly think you COULDN'T sell either one, if made?
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#295990 - 10/21/10 04:07 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14269
Loc: NW Florida
Oh, and.... don't WANT a 76 Korg (or I'd have one), don't WANT a 76 Prelude (or I WOULD be posting about it). Why you so determined to evade the issue? Why you always got to assign me points I have NEVER made?

Question too difficult to deal with all by itself?
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#295991 - 10/21/10 04:40 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Question too difficult to deal with all by itself?


No question is too difficult, Diki, but you are basing it on a hypothetical situation.

I deal with what is being made now.

Your question is in the area of vaporware...that's not my department.

As far as avoiding an issue...you keep avoiding Spalding's advice on doing a survey...that's the only way you'll have any real evidence.

So far, you have nothing but hypotheses and wild guesses, but you are consistent...you don't ever let the facts get in the way of your imagination.


Ian
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#295992 - 10/21/10 04:48 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by spalding1968:
You dont have to convince anyone here about what you think the 76 key arranger market needs. Convince yamaha !!!



Right on the money, Spalding...but we are dealing with armchair marketers, and they'd rather talk than actually do something.

Dreamers, and not much else, I'm afraid.

Ian
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#295993 - 10/21/10 04:57 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
spalding1968 Offline
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Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 1264
Loc: United Kingdom
' But if you want your enemy to starve, you pick them ALL.'

Well thats one strategy Diki and if it works for you good luck with that .

A less labour intensive and confrontational way is to let the fools struggle and fight and expend themselves over the slim sun shriveled pickings at the top of the tree, Whilst they compete with each other and shake the tree , gather what falls to the ground , watch the weaker fools fall away as they reach too high, stretch themselves too far, take greater risks than the reward merits ....then pick the fruit they loosened on their way up and on their way down

But i think your method of going after everything regardless of the merrit could work too ......ahhh who am i trying to kid :-)

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#295994 - 10/21/10 05:05 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
to the genesys Offline
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Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 1155
In case you missed it:
“The persons who will buy a Roland G70, Pa2x pro, Audya 76, MS are not the same persons who will buy a lightweight compact Yamaha 76 key arranger.
The Yamaha arranger market is primarily the home player. The other brands are targeting the semipro and pro market. And for the semipro and pro market looks and build quality are very important.
Why do you think the G70, PA2x pro, Audya 76 and MS are constructed the way they are?
So if Yamaha were to add a 76 key T4 they would have to build it like the Roland’s and Korgs and like Yamaha said, it would not be worth it for them to do that. It is just too small of a market for them to venture into.”

When Roland went from the G1000 to the G70 and when Korg went from the PA1x to the PA2x notice they did not change the build quality. Do they know something that we don’t know?

BTW There will be persons who have a G70 or PA2x pro but still buy the PSR S with 76 keys, because it will be a back up keyboards. It will be their “quickie” keyboard.

Diki and I both realize that a TOTL 76 key Yamaha arranger would probably not do well at this time. It is more the MOTL segment where Yamaha could improve. And one of the reasons for this is price.


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#295995 - 10/21/10 05:13 PM Re: Would You Buy A Tyros 4 with 76 keys?.......
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Quote:
Originally posted by to the genesys:
[B]The Yamaha arranger market is primarily the home player. /B]


Thank you for the laugh .....

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