Gang-

Going to order a RockNRoller (R10)
http://rocknrollercart.com/products.php

Several guys on the SZ have used this cart for a few years and seem to be, from the history I've read, very pleased with the purchase.

Some questions:

1) My old cart weighs 36.4 lbs. The R10 weighs 30.0 lbs.

Q: Will I notice a decrease in load stability to speak of?

2) The R10 has an accessory shelf for the bottom of the cart. I'm not sure I need it and it costs $69.99.

Q: Can anyone comment on why or why they didn't decide to purchase and if in hindsight they felt they made the right decision?

3) The R10 has optional larger and locking wheels available for the front at about an extra $5 per wheel.

Q: Have any of you went this route? Comments?

4) I see a best price at $169.99 at both Sweetwater and AMS.

Q: Does anyone know if there's a better price available elsewhere? (Specifically, do George Kaye and/or Frank V carries this product?)

Thanks in advance!!!



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Bill in Dayton

R10....w/locking wheels....

No giging musician should be without one.

I dont need the shelf.

I have used this unit for several years and bought a shelf for it last year. I use it a little differently because of the length of the G70. I load my Bose and smaller items on the bottom, and put the shelf on the highest holes. This allows my keyboard to ride high, making it easy to lift it to the stand.

In my case, the shelf is great for keeping the keyboard off my other equipment and not having equipment sitting on my keyboard.

I use the R-10 with a locking small wheel and have used it every day for five years. I've only put air in the tires once and never had to do it again.

As for the shelf, the one that they make is a heavy, piece of junk. Several months ago I posted a photo of the shelf modification that I created, which consists of nothing more than two lengths of 1-inch box aluminum fitted with detent pins. It takes just 10 seconds to install, lightweight, easily stored and transported, completely corrosion proof. Cost about $40 and took 30 minutes to make using a hacksaw and drill. It is capable of supporting approximately 150 pounds.

From my perspective the Rock & Roller R-10 is the best thing since sliced bread.

Gary

Bill....in a nutshell. Every time I wheel my equipment in with my R&R cart, I think to myself that, with the enormous amount of equipment we have to use nowadays, I'd be lost without the "cart." I count my blessings and say a silent prayer for whoever invented it! Before this I used a large dolly. Never again will I go anywhere (not even the supermarket) without the R&R cart.

If you're doing multiple locations on a job, I've even set my amp on the "bottom" and used props on each side to hold an open keyboard at a height ready to play. All you need to do is "unplug" and go to the next location. I've pushed as much as 200-300 lbs with one finger (on a smooth, level floor)...no strain and no pain. Always keep the wheels lubricated and it almost moves itself.

You can open and fold it literally in under a minute.

You can cross grass and rough ground with the standard wheels. You can even go skateboarding with it (only kidding).

One suggestion. I'm not sure how the new ones are, but my design (about 4 years old) has one of the side "guard rails" hanging loose when you transport it folded. Simple remedy: get a bungee cord and stretch it from the top to the bottom to hold it in place.

You appear to be doing a lot of this type of work. Buy one and you'll wonder how you ever got along without it!

Lucky

Bill the R-10 is a winner..about the optional heavy duty wheels...I have my personal r-10 and we have another (band member) for the sound equipment..This unit actually bent the framework holding the wheels (abuse /over weighted)..We replaced the wheels (HD) for $30 and they are really great..If I knew the option ahead of my purchase ..I would order for another $10..

Bill - I've got an R10 and love it. The larger wheels are a plus in bad weather. The stability is very good; you should have no problems. Mine didn't come with an accessory shelf, but something solid for at least part of the base is helpful. I got mine online from http://www.audiolines.com/Accessories-789/Equipment-Carts/Rock-N-Roller-R10 for just $105.

[This message has been edited by cassp (edited 10-10-2010).]

Thanks, Cass...

That's by far the best price...Even with a ground shipping, Chicago to Dayton shouldn't take that long...

Awesome!

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Bill in Dayton

Remember Guitar Center will match or beat prices.

Here's the second tier modification that I made for my R-10.

[img]http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9112.0;attach=5500;image[/img]

Gary

Can't see any image, Gary...

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Bill in Dayton

Cass- The one from Audiolines is a floor demo, not a new in the box one,. Therefore, GC won't match it...

I also have to call them first and confirm they actually still have it.

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Bill in Dayton

Sweetwater didn't match when I tried. I don't remember if I tried GC or not, but i doubt they'll go that low.

I received my r10 in 2-3 days, boxed and ready to use. Not a B stock or return either.
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oh yeah, floor demo. They told me that, but mine was new in a box.

[This message has been edited by cassp (edited 10-10-2010).]

Here's my post from 8/09 recounting my buy. Maybe this will help, Bill.
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/020024.html

Bill... I've been using the R8 for several years and very happy with it. Holds everything in one trip - keyboard, keyboard stand, Bose Compact, 2 mic stands, 24" bag full of mics, cables and stuff, and my folding stool.

IMO you can't go wrong with either the R8 or R10

Glenn

I use this for my G70 gigs..

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 10-11-2010).]

I have seen Gary Diamond use his with the shelf that he added. It is very slick in both its simplicity and ease of operation. I would follow his advice.

Tom

Guys - have used the R10 for several years and love it! I can pack my complete PA system and all my sax junk on there and on top (when fully extended) the R10 is just long enough to allow me to fit my Tyros 2 in its SKB case on top! Works great! Excellent purchase!

Randy

Can you guide me to this modifications? please.

thanks

I love it!

Joe

The top rack is constructed from two lengths of 1-inch box aluminum measuring 48-inches long. I purchased them from Home Depot. I also purchased 4, stainless-steel, detent pins from Home Depot as well. The pins have a pull ring at one end, and a tiny, spring-loaded bearing at the insertion end and measure 1-1/2 inches ling and 1/4-inch in diameter.

At each end of the box aluminum strips I cut a 1-inch slot that fits perfectly over the upright arms of the Rock & Roller. The upright arms of the Rock & Roller are made of 3/4-inch, box steel. After cutting all 4 slots, I measured the height of my Bose Compact base unit, added approximately 4 inches to the measurement, and using duct tape, taped the box aluminum to the Rock & Roller. Then, using a 1/4-inch drill, I drilled a hole through the box aluminum bar(s), and through the Rock & Rolle handle(s) until the drill came out the opposite side. This allowed me to insert the 1/4-inch detent pins through the holds and the spring loaded bearing held them firmly in place. To prevent the pins from being lost, I drilled a tiny hole in the box aluminum bars a couple inches from the end, inserted a 6-inch length of nylon-coated, stainless-steel wire and anchored it in place with a dab or hot-melt glue. The other end was then wrapped in the detent pin's pull ring(s). This keeps them attached to the box aluminum bars all the time, thereby eliminating the possibility of loosing them.

I'm off for the next four days and hopefully, will go sailing. When I get back to work on Saturday, I will shoot some photos of the fully loaded Rock & Roller from several angles so everyone can see just how easy this system is to set up and how much the R&R can hold.

Cheers,

Gary

Fran, this is probably THE BEST post I've ever read on SZ.

The G70 may be a beast but it still beats hauling around an organ and Leslie. What is the weight difference between TOTL Korg, Ketron, Yamaha and G70?

Tom

I was at Sam's Club today and saw this cart for $79.

Jerryghr
http://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?id=440

Wonder what that weighs?

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Bill in Dayton

I had one identical to that and purchased it at BJ's Wholesale Club a few years ago. It's made of welded steel, really heavy and much too short for music jobs. I used it for hauling firewood into the house.

Gary

I believe it weighs about 37 lbs vs the RnRoller at 31 lbs.

At $79 I was impressed. Stop at Sam's and check it out.

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All I can say is "OUCH"

Picked up a RockNRoller cart tonight...

The instructions say "Its recommended to lubricate axels with light grease before installing."

Grease? I don't have any grease, lol...

Exactly what kind of grease am I supposed to use? Could I use 3 in 1 oil instead? (I have plenty of that...) Probably not, lol...

Thanks-

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Bill in Dayton

go to pep boyz and buy some AXLe grease

I use WD-40 on any part of it that moves, including the "sleeves" in the bed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grease_(lubricant)

I wish there were a way to leave everything on the cart all the time. It takes about as much time to stack it from the car, unstack it inside, then reverse the process as it does just to carry it in, especially with today's lightweight gear.
I suppose you could do it with a van with a ramp or lift, but that really would be overkill.
DonM

If one were gigging regularly, as in several days a week, I'm not sure it would be overkill. We've all had this same thought. Our friend, Dickie T, said he is going to do it, including a power winch to get it in the van.

Bill,

I lubed mine with silicone grease that I use for fishing reels--it works just fine. And, I've only had to lube it once since I purchased it more than 5 years ago.

As for creating a performance cart, a couple guys have done this using the R-10 and R-12. Essentially, everything was anchored in place using Industrial Strength Velcro and bungee cords. In each case that I'm familiar with, the speakers were placed on each side of the cart, while the keyboard was placed on a top shelf. The rigs were moved in and out of vans fitted with hydraulic lifts for wheelchairs.

Some of the guys were quite creative and covered the front of the keyboard and everything beneath it with a sign made of plastic-coated fabric and professionally lettered. The sign doubled as a cover while the rig was stored in the van, and also served as protection on rainy days.

Cheers,

Gary

That's all well & good ...you need a full size van, ramp....and when a stage or steps come into the picture your finished! &
IMO it looks hokey too...every time you get frustrated about setups or breakdown just think .....

"You Could Have REAL Job"

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-14-2010).]

I met a fellow once who was doing two senior places a day/365 days a year. When I asked him "how?" he showed me his van. He had a "handicap" platform attached in the back that he would wheel the cart onto, raise it, and then push the cart into the van. He kept his equipment all set up and ready to play on this cart. No setup, no breakdown. Just go in and do the job. Come out, roll it back into your vehicle, and in 30 seconds you're on the road...fresh as a daisy.

Lucky