Ian is completely incapable of following his own directives. Say ANYTHING negative about Yamaha's... Go on, I dare you! I DOUBLE-DARE you..!

Watch how many milliseconds it takes for Ian to jump in. Even when he says he WON'T. Terminal 'last-word-ism' in its' most virulent form! Totally incurable

At least I am honest enough to say that I have NO INTENTION of letting up on this point. As none of its' opposition have anything of value to say but dogma (every single argument has been proven nonfactual), all we are left with is theology from them.

Me, I'd rather talk about ARRANGERS...

Once again, for those that would like to stick their fingers in their ears, go 'La-la-la-la' as loudly as they can to pretend that this unanswered question has gone away, I suggest the use of the 'Back' button, NOT the 'Submit' button as the best way of shortening the discussion...

and DIki, don't you think that could also apply to you?

As I said earlier, why not start your own thread about it instead? Seems to me to be a better way.

I would hazard a guess, and say most tracking this thread or other threads are probably skipping right past your posts, so this continual insertion of your opinion is really a waste of time, WHERE you are writing it, don't you think?

For what its worth, I too think Yamaha SHOULD do a 76 note PSR/Tyros, but I think writing this opinion in every post would get tiresome, yes?

Dennis

Yes I know Diki...I'm guilty as charged.

It will probably happen again, as I don't listen to my own directives any better than you heed your own.

C'est la vie.

Ian

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Well...Carol...how did it go?
Lee S.

Well, after seeing how this thread degenerated I'm surprised you even want to know. Even you said "screw them" to Yamaha. However, Thank-You for asking.

I mentioned I was female, and even that didn't stop this thread from becoming a 10 year old boy argument.

I had about One and half hours of very usefull explaination of the Tyros 4, which I videod. I put all relevent questions that the group had asked and some of my own. I did not ask about the 76 key controversy, as, basically it was not relevant as I was getting a very good demonstration of THIS keyboard, not one that may or may not be on the drawing board in the future. I also belong to a keyboard club which had the benefit of a full 2 hour demonstration by James Sargeant the same evening.

I was hoping for sensible questions as I spent 5 years living in Dallas, and realise that in the UK we are trully fortunate in the info we get from the demonstrations which are freely available. There are at least 4 venues within 50 miles that I could go to, to hear a full professional free demonstration. The one I went to is a 5 minite drive from where I live. The staff in the shop know about arranger keyboards, unlike places like Guitar Center etc. in USA. This is why I am truly disappointed in the degeneration of this thread. Some of you may have to travel hundreds of miles to get the arranger keyboard support that I am able to get locally.

I will revue my Videos of both the 1 to 1 and the full formal demo and hope to give you a full report soon. However, I can say, that I was so suitable impressed, to trade-in my Tyros 2 with hard drive and Dimms plus lots of cash, for a new Tyros 4, which I hope to get near the end of Oct.

In case the group think I am a Yamaha "fan". I own a Technics KN7000 (bought in a Piano specialist store in Dallas whose staff hadn't a clue what it was), a Korg Pa2x 76 keyboard (I find the operating system difficult but hope to master it one day) and a Tyros 2, which I play most days.

I had the same full demonstrations of the Tyros 3 but I was still happy with the Tyros 2, but the jump from the 2 to the 4 is a really huge improvement.

I thank the group for the intelligent questions that were posed at the beginning of the thread but unfortunately someone reading this thread from the beginning hoping to get to get my personal view of the "demo" may give up because of the trash in the middle.

In short, the Drums are much better, the Choirs and do wops, are amazing. The overall sound has improved ( lots more than T2, but for T3 owners not as much as a leap but still improved due to the drums and sa voices in the styles). I can't tell about the improvement between the Yamaha speakers as I have never owned them and use Logitech Z5500 system. James, who is not a singer, sang using the VH system. I tried the Tyros2 vocal system and gave up as I sounded awful. The shop is so confident on this facility that they are "throwing in" a boom mike stand and microphone. He used the VH facility where he spoke into the mike, whilst playing the chords and right hand melody, and it sounded like synthetic singing. Ok nothing like a real singer, but for people who can't sing it makes a change from only playing the melody. I believe Audia does the same thing, as I saw that at another demonstration. James also sang with harmony and it sounded quite good. For a non singer to sound good I guess means that someone who can truly sing should sound amazing.

As other people have said, if you can get a live demo go for it. Other than that the u tube videos give an impression but not the whole story. I still haven't played the Tyros4 myself and accept there will be a learning curve to use the new facilities.

To Be Continued ................

Carol

Hi Carol,

Thanks for that review.

I am going to see a demo tomorrow and I should be able to play it.

I look forward to your further comments.

Nigel

Nigel, Hope you enjoy your demo. Are you thinking of upgrading from a previous keyboard, or are you just curious?
Cheers
Carol

Hi

If the drums are improved, why can't I hear it in the demos? It sounds like the T3 IMHO.

Regards
Niels

Carol, thank you for persevering and thank you for the excellent unbiased review.

My apologies for any part I might have played in the degeneration of the thread.

I expect to have my Tyros4 in a few weeks, and your review has heightened my excitement even more.

I had the same perception as you about the big leap from Tyros2 to T4 and the smaller jump from Tyros3 to Tyros4, and I have heard others express the same insight.

Thanks again for returning to the thread, and I am looking forward to your review of the Tyros4 after spending some time with it.

Ian

Carol,
Weren't you at the Shreveport jam when I was there in LA? Thank you for the pre T4 review hope to hear more from your experiences....