Yep, so true Dennis.

I'm probably in a very tiny minority for liking the PSR-S910 over Tyros2/3, but it has all I need in an arranger with no fluff...I don't need or want to load in new voices, the ones in the S910 are terrific (and are editable), and it has the same basic style engine as the Tyros3, as well as having audio to usb recording.

One time, mid-range arrangers were what we got when we couldn't afford a top of the line model. Now, they are so good, there's no penalty at all.

The Audya has it's supporters, and no wonder...it sounds great, especially if you favor Drums/Percussion.

Ian

If anyone likes the Audya Big Bad styles demo posted please tell me why?

http://www.ketronmusic.co.uk/media/video/flv/Big_band.html

Speaking as a big Ketron fan, I would have to agree that this "big band" style sounds......limp! I'm surprised. 90% of the Ketron demo's I've listened to over the last few years were superb. Unfortunately, this one is a non-finisher.

Lucky

lucky please post some ketron Big band style demos that you know of, you tube or where ever that do sound good.....or up to the caliper of Yamaha's

thanx

"But, having said that, everything I've heard from them, and speaking as a drummer, these drums are way too much in your face, too loud, overdone and overpowering and overochestrated. Quite unatural. Any band I'd ever played in or heard the drummer would be told to back off if they sounded like that, both in volume and in being too busy"

Scott, I'm a drummer too, and that has crossed my mind too- If I played that loud and busy on most of the drumset gigs I do, I wouldn't get called back.

But for Latin (real Latin- not watered down ball room stuff) it's all about percussion. This is where the Audya really shines.

Finding real Latin styles for my Tyros 2 has not been easy.

have you ever tried to create your own drum style parts using the style creator and different drum kits in the tyros 2?...

"have you ever tried to create your own drum style parts using the style creator and different drum kits in the tyros 2?..."

Point well taken. My time (like everyone) is limited. The little free time I have to devote to music, I'd rather work on becoming a better musician and learn more tunes.

That's all well and good...but if as you stated the SOUND isn't up to par for your liking at least these features are included in most arrangers to create the sound you want...creating is as satisfying as playing in many cases.

This kind of brings me back to the point I've made over and over in regards to the Ketron...

With a traditional MIDI based arranger, it's a piece of cake to revoice the drums, perhaps substitute a brush kit for a sticks kit, easily remove busy parts and edit them down to simple ones, things like that. Make the tools to do this as simple and easy to work as the Roland's do, and you are also likely to DO IT...

But loops are loops. They are what they are, and if they don't work, it is a HUGE job to replace them with something that does...

It seems that so many of us think that, if audio loops are too 'in your face' and some arrangers drums (particularly Yamaha) are not ENOUGH in your face, that's basically IT... The truth is anything but. If you listen to any of the demos of newer drum libraries like BFD, DFH, EZDrummer, and products like that, you will have an almost impossible time telling that they AREN'T loops of audio. But they are all exactly the same as your arranger... MIDI performances playing drum samples. Only, the difference is, these are REALLY GOOD samples.

Arrangers do NOT need to go over to uneditable audio loops to sound live and realistic. They simply need more and better samples for the drum kits they DO have! And, once that is provided, the problem that the style itself may be busier (or simpler) than you actually want is easily remediable. I really DO believe that audio loops is a dead end for arranger technology. Some of the better Yamaha Mega Guitar and SA guitar Parts are close to indistinguishable from a loop. Some of the better Korg Guitar Mode Parts are the same.

Once again, BOTH of these can easily be edited, substituted (want a nylon playing the same part as your electric..? a snap in MIDI, impossible with a loop) changed, whatever you feel like.

We should not be all screaming for Yamaha, Korg, etc. to CATCH UP with Audya... We should be screaming for Korg and Yamaha to catch up to BFD or EZDrummer..!

JMO...