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#296799 - 10/15/10 08:33 AM Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
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#296800 - 10/15/10 08:42 PM Re: Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
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Seems like the player had difficulty ready / looking at the screen. Perhaps the text was too small?

Sounded great to me...
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#296801 - 10/15/10 10:58 PM Re: Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
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I am not certain who is the worst, the player, camera operator or sound man, there have been some crap samples of MS being played so much so they wouldn't make you buy one unless you heard one live and thats not likely to happen in the UK unless you just buy one. James has made a few snippets and the sound and video quality has been 1st class, if I was Helmut I wouldn't put out any more of these things until I got the audio visual up the speed, it's not doing the MS any good, if you think I am wrong look at the original Audya snippets from about 18 months back they are top notch. Or just let James do it for MS. Perhaps Helmut didnt post these, someone watching him thought they were good enough for people to sit and watch, I wont watch then a second time.
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#296802 - 10/16/10 12:36 AM Re: Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
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it has been suggested many times that James shouild be promoting the MS as he actually has produced some demo's up to the main 3 manufacturers standards and his explanations have been clear .

The MS is not going anywhere if demos like this keep slipping out. I dont think that the clip was an official release from Liontracs but it only does them even further harm.

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#296803 - 10/16/10 05:03 AM Re: Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
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Thanks for the kind words guys.
Video's using the camera's mic will always sound crap, so don't use the video's as a reference point. I think they are just so you can see the keyboard more than hear it.

It's proof it's a real and working product. Looks darn cool too.

Regards
James

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#296804 - 10/16/10 05:20 AM Re: Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
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The name suggests LIONSTRACSNEDherlands in my opinion.

As for the video and audio, even a pair of 3 meter long RCA cables connecting the Virgin outs to the camera and a cheap tripod fixed to the left or right or maybe even over the shoulder of the player would be a phenomenal upgrade to the Lionstracs demos.

I am 100% sure that the LIONSTRACSIREland videos would be leaps and bounds above this.

It also seems IMHO that the angle of the control surface could have been steeper, to bring the top controls a little closer to the player. No more leaning to reach them.

Or maybe the instrument is designed for older players and compensates for presbyopia, making easier for them to read the furthest controls.

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#296805 - 10/16/10 06:17 AM Re: Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
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I'd say it's trying to reach back to the home organ days where the buyers were old, rich and, in this case of this product, gullible.

Very poor ergonomics as evidenced by the player's difficulties.

I certainly hope this instrument is not a production model.

Ian
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#296806 - 10/16/10 06:38 AM Re: Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
Irishacts Offline
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Very poor ergonomics as evidenced by the player's difficulties.


Not really, that's his choice to use the keyboard that way. In the demo he's using NI B3 and Linux Sampler in COMBI mode by the sound of things. Neither of which require you to touch the screen at all as the control panel is mapped to the software.

For example, he's using the sliders to turn on and off sounds by adjusting the volume, rather than just pressing the dedicated mute buttons for each track. He could also have used the program up and down buttons too if he wanted to.

I don't quite get why he's using the keyboard this way, but if it works for him well that's then that's all that matters. Me personally, I would do it differently but either way, there is nothing wrong with the ergonomics.

It's his choice to use the keyboard the way he is using it and that's all there really is to this.

Regards
James

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#296807 - 10/16/10 06:40 AM Re: Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
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Iana wrote "I'd say it's trying to reach back to the home organ days where the buyers were old, rich and, in this case of this product, gullible." In other words, acording to Yamaha, the Yamaha arranger market.
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#296808 - 10/16/10 06:46 AM Re: Lionstracs VIRGIN 1 videos
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I still don't understand why they don't connect the MS audio OUT to some kind of recorder's audio IN (the Pc, the camera or at least an ancient cassette recorder !!!). I've been able to do that being a home player.
I bet he can't see a thing. The console or that screen needs to be tilted 65. I have it in front of me but if I move my head looking to the lateral panel, lets say 30 cm. and there is a light source during the day inside my room the screen becomes a mirror and nothing can be seen.
I like the cabinet.

[This message has been edited by vagro (edited 10-16-2010).]
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