I doubt seriously anyone is paying the "big price tag" If they are....Can't blame Yamaha for that. The question is or should be "What is the Tyros 4 worth?"

and that answer depends on what board one currently has...

For a T3 owner it has to be worth $1500 more.
For a 910 owner add another $1000 or so to that.

For a Roland or Korg owner.....$100 may not do the trick. Those 15 extra keys are very valuable and necessary to an income

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Diki may not be necessarily right but he is not wrong.
It is unfortunate that Iana is prohibited from commenting on this.


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I am a long time Yamaha Lover.
I have owned a Tyros 2 in the past which I sold years ago.

I now own an S910 and a Motif XS (currently got the XF on pre order).

I cant understand why Yamaha can not make a Tyros using the same casing and build quality of the Motif. Its almost as if these two boards came from two complete different companies.

The PSR S910 has the same (or VERY similar) build quality as the Tyros but at half the price making it more feasible. In Australia the street price for the current Tyros 3 or 4 is always $4,500.00 AUD whereas the S910 is around the $2,200.00 mark.

The Motif XS/XF6 are just on 4k which yes is worth it (or more worth it should I say) because it is a superior quality instrument. I have absolutely no understanding why the far better build quality (PRO) Synth from the SAME company is cheaper than the plastic Tyros... AND the Tyros doesn't even use the same sound engine of the Motif.

Motif uses AWM2 whereas Tyros/PSR uses AWM1.
AWM2 has the 'proper' uncompressed un-plastic sounding drum kits, basses, synth sounds, punchy etc etc.

I dont know why Yamaha cant simply use the Motif sound engine in the Tyros line.

Yamaha are in fact slowly starting to trickle down some of the synth voices from the Motif (SOME OF THEM) but having the extreme lack of voice editing functionality leaves it still very bland for professional quality synth production...

The PSR S910 does include some of the synth voices that are on my Motif XS which I have compared side by side in my studio and the Motif STILL sounds cleaner, crisper and punchier than the SAME voice in the AWM1 engine of the PSR.

Just an FYI for anyone who cares

Nick

I like the synth voices on the S910 too, Nick, and some have filter control on the mod wheel.

I seems that most, if not all, companies charge a premium price for arrangers over their synths.

Someone attempted to explain why, but I can't remember if it was on SZ or another site like YPKO.

Ian

TWO separate users...Seperate demographics.

The Tyros and PSR market are older "wedding singers" and as a sophisticated less expensive Home Organ replacement..... Light for traveling. Easy to use...Not much tweaking needed for the sounds. Slick out of the box. minimal editing. Plug and play...

Motif is for the pro recordists, touring musician, sound designer who demands the ability to get to the nuts and bolts of a sound on it's most basic level in a strong and hearty case..with lots and lots of options and effects routing, pattern based recording, Seamless DAW interfacing via MLan to multitask recording direct...A whole different animal..Most Arranger players I sell the 900s to would not know where to start on a Motif. Hell they are baffled by the MO6!

I have both as well and I would not want the Motif "inatyros" or otherwise...Apples and oranges. One is a saw the other a hammer.

It was nice to put the Motif SYNTH sounds in the tyros but the rest of it should be smooooooth and simple. save the raw and complicated for those who need such....

the Korg PA2x would fit that bill nicely....which is why i initially bought it....but decided to sell after a few weeks and go with the Tyros /XS separates...

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Hi Ian,

The fact that the Mod wheel now acts as a cut off controller for a lot of the synth voices and pads on the PSR line is GREAT and it was something that I feel was long overdue.

I agree with your comment about all companies charging more for their TOTL Arrangers as opposed to the TOTL 61 note synths becuase its simply true, BUT other companies like Roland, Korg and Ketron have their arrangers built using the similar quality construction as the Synths AND they also have very strong voice and pattern editing features which I hate to say that Yamaha leave out of the Tyros.

The next PSR line I am assuming wont have any sliders or knobs but it is something that MUST be included in the near future

I truly believe that the Tyros 4 has now put Yamaha on path or just slightly above Korg with the PA 2x Pro (Very subjective and totally opinion based). BUT again my personal opinion is that the next TOTL offering from Korg will leap ahead of the Tyros 4, and it will probably happen soon.

I am not just talking about sound quality. I am talking about an overall offering - build construction, voice editing capabilities, style production and editing, Assignable faders etc etc.

And when I refer to "The weaker Build quality" of the Tyros and PSR line, I dont necessarily mean that it will 'break' or 'fall apart'. What I mean (and I think a lot of other people mean) is when you have a Roland G70 or a Korg PA2x Pro or even a Motif XS or Roland Fantom in front of you, you just know its "Quality" and it has "Professional" invisibly written all over it.

I guess this is just my opinion and very subjective to my tastes. As I said above in my previous post, I own an S910 which is fantastic and the Motif XF due for delivery next week (I will probably be the first person in Australia to actually own one!)

I just wish Yamaha would step up because the potential is DEFINITELY there right now.

Nick

I understand what you're saying Nick...I've been traveling all over with Tyros and PSR, both by air and by vehicle, and I've never had any issues with their ability to endure lots of handling and frequent setting up/tearing down.

Ian

Hi Nick
have you seen the recommended retail price of the T4, I saw it listed at $7,499 AUD. on a website.
Admittedly I haven't checked to se what they are worth, discounted.

Interesting to know what they're selling for in the USA, considering our Aussie dollar is now worth the same amount as the USD. (give or take 1 cent)

S910, sounds good value for money at that price.

best wishes
Rikki

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The PSR S910 has the same (or VERY similar) build quality as the Tyros but at half the price making it more feasible. In Australia the street price for the current Tyros 3 or 4 is always $4,500.00 AUD whereas the S910 is around the $2,200.00 mark.