Last week I had the chance to visit AJ, and he demonstrated the Audya for me..

The hands on demo confirmed what I already envisioned..
The Audya is a great sounding keyboard..and has a lot of capable editing power too..

The units I played were "AJAM Sonic" modified...I will post this package info below..

I was surprised to find the Audya recognized the complex chords using the audio guitar...It took me a while to find a chord it didn't recognize.. (maj7,b5,b9th)..who would ever play that chord..
The accommodating midi guitar that replaced the audio guitar chord is poor , especially compared to the audio guitars..It is like night and day...Fortunately the audio chord recognition is pretty well covered now..

AJ showed me many editing features that did the job....my only concern was the procedures to edit...it would take some time to get comfortable using the edit methods..

The sounds are very live sounding...Donny didn't like the drum snares on some kits..he thought they were to out front..He either forgot what working with a live drummer was like...or he got use to the Yamaha drums..

Most of the styles were great...I did notice the Big Band selection not quite up to the standards of the other styles on the Audya..but there were some good ones..I think a remix to personal taste would greatly make the BB styles great..

Keep in mind I played the AJAM sonic prepared Audya...and I am sure it is far superior to the standard..although I did not have a standard unit to compare it too...There was a standard SD1..that could not compete with the AJAM Audya..

We played the Audya for a few hours without any OS problems...I have read some folks were having output problems...but none were evident on the AJAM prepared units...

I understand that AJ is working with Ketron to resolve some issues and bring the product to the specs..so all Audya owners can enjoy..

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[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-26-2010).]

Am I confused here?? I hope so.

Are you saying all the features on the AJSONIC Audya are not standard if you just buy an Audya?

Has AJ done all this personally, now he is selling this?

OR is it just that Ketron has not got all this done yet, meaning he (AJ) did all the work and they are incorporating all this into standard production line models soon??

Lee S.

The "Ajamtronic" Version is not standard on the Audya 5.... this is an additional option you can purchase & have installed by Aj's New Company ...
get in touch with him for more details.

Let's get this straight...if you want the Audya to work as it should have, you pay $250 to have someone fix a "new" instrument?

I guess some would consider $250 a deal, since, if you don't pay it, you have a far inferior instrument to one with the upgrade.

Good thing Audya have AJ, or is it, good thing AJ has Audya?

Ian

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Unbelievable!
I don't think you don't want to know what I'm thinking.

I will say this...ANY fixes of problems that Ketron has not fixed or seems to not be able to fix THAT AJ has fixed should be bought from AJ by Ketron and prvided FREE to all Audya customers.

Add on styles/sounds ect...are a different animal.

Lee S.

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we should not have to pay for an AUDYA4 electronic/paper manual,

videos ok

Leezone,
That's for sure!
Is Ketron that short on resource?

Lee S.

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Well said !!! Disgraceful i would call it.
I know of a few users who have just purchased and are having big trouble getting their new audyas to work properly at all, after paying EXORBITANT money in my opinion !!

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Wow. Lots of deleted posts ... Too much information.

The one update I want and need first and foremost is
One that fixes the timing issues in styles .. When audio loops repeat. When going from var to var.
It needs to be TRANPARENT and in time

Thanks AJ for all your hard work

And this is what Captain Russ was talking about.........This is such a conflict of interest. AJ works for Ketron, works in a music store and provides things different from what a regular stocking dealer can provide......and he charges for this so that if you want one from the person that works for both a music store (I think) and the Manufacturer you would surely want to buy this upgraded AJ machine. So, this is why I don't want to sell Ketron products. Not one other company would allow such antics. AJ, your a good guy and I like you alot but as a possible dealer for the product, we can't compete! I don't know what other Ketron dealers think of this but I thank Fran for bringing this to my attention. I've talked to CMC here in the USA many times about this exact issue when an employee of the company also is selling their products.


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Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

And this is what Captain Russ was talking about.........This is such a conflict of interest. AJ works for Ketron, works in a music store and provides things different from what a regular stocking dealer can provide......and he charges for this so that if you want one from the person that works for both a music store (I think) and the Manufacturer you would surely want to buy this upgraded AJ machine. So, this is why I don't want to sell Ketron products. Not one other company would allow such antics. AJ, your a good guy and I like you alot but as a possible dealer for the product, we can't compete! I don't know what other Ketron dealers think of this but I thank Fran for bringing this to my attention. I've talked to CMC here in the USA many times about this exact issue when an employee of the company also is selling their products.


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Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

And this is what Captain Russ was talking about.........This is such a conflict of interest. AJ works for Ketron, works in a music store and provides things different from what a regular stocking dealer can provide......and he charges for this so that if you want one from the person that works for both a music store (I think) and the Manufacturer you would surely want to buy this upgraded AJ machine. So, this is why I don't want to sell Ketron products. Not one other company would allow such antics. AJ, your a good guy and I like you alot but as a possible dealer for the product, we can't compete! I don't know what other Ketron dealers think of this but I thank Fran for bringing this to my attention. I've talked to CMC here in the USA many times about this exact issue when an employee of the company also is selling their products.


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Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

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Sorry for the triple posting.......I can't get back to the topic page without sending the reply over and over again.

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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

So why all the "." s Fran and Donny? Bit concerned to leave your posts up??

WOW!!

Simple..Ketron shold never allow this....
I like AJ too...but this is business.

Lee S.

why are there so many posts with just a dot?

very annoying.

The "." is a way of retracting a statement on this site. There is no way to delete your post, therefore the post is edited, everything is removed, and a single "." is put there so it can be posted. Sometimes the fingers think faster than brain.

Cheers,

Gary

Sorry for the "." the original post above is more then enough information.
Please just Take it for what it is.

Okly Dokly, NP Donny thanks

Kinda looks like the trip was made to STIR the pot on Ketron to Me!

No, I don't believe so Harold. I think Fran and Donny are genuinely trying to give their take on the Ketrons.

Thats what I get from this thread

Dennis

Trouble is, too damn much has been deleted from this thread for it to make any sense...

A man should stand by his words. There are times when I honestly wish we COULDN'T edit our posts. I'd happily put up with the typos just to be able to see what has happened!

Anyhoo... Let's see if I have this straight. AJ is selling Audya's that he has tweaked the styles, or tweaked the registrations, or added new styles to it? And wants to charge for this work? What's the problem? Haven't third parties done the same with Yamaha Regi-Sticks?

Or has he found a way to create a new OS for it that fixes certain bugs? If HE did the work and not Ketron, again, what's the issue?

I wish you all had the balls to keep your comments visible...

if AJ is selling new styles, new guitars, tweaked styles, then he deserves to be compensated, and has right to charge those who WANT it.

if AJ is offering OS ENHANCEMENTS,ADDITIONS, then he deserves compensation,...

if AJ has a great AUDYA4 manual, or a new improved AUDYA5 manual, then KETRON should pay AJ, and give it to all AUDYA owners for FREE

if AJ is offering bug fixes to an existing/original OS, then KETRON should pay AJ, and give us ALL the updates/bugfixes for FREE

Thats exactly what I meant too! it appears sometimes you need to get in early to read a thread before someone goes back and replace their posts with a dot.

For anyone who just comes to the thread for the first time after this has happened, its hard to understand exactly whats been going on.

I am not asking Nigel to take away the edit post feature, dont get me wrong.

I think the culprates (yes they know who they are)should be a bit more careful and wary about what you are typing before pressing the SUBMIT REPLY button perhaps (PROOF READING is an idea!!)

Nick

I think this thread was to start trouble and to prove a point.

And, isn’t a seller of a keyboard allow to offer extra to the keyboard and sell it?

Do not some sellers of the T4 offer lessons for the T4 and sell it in addition to the T4?




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Agree to that leezone, hope we can get some info from AJ about this, and how to get our hands on it. Let's just be happy who ever makes anything for any KB. New styles/sounds will always be welcome. We all know it's a lot of work even for the pro's. We can't expect people to work for free. Updates and bugfixes is something else.
skude

Updates should be free if they address issues or functions which were advertised and never delivered

Updates, or shall I say enhancements, to original product beyond what's on specs could have a small fee or be free if company is feeling generous

Bug fixes to any OS should always be free

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[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-27-2010).]

Part time or full time he is involved with Ketron from a engineering stand point and product support.

If AJ had a retail store and purchased keyboards from the distributor and then modified the keyboards, this would not be a conflict.

The problem is that some people in here or AJ made all this sound TOO PROFESSIONAL.
Someone could've simply said that AJ is selling sets and then noone would've gotten
confused...many people dont even know what
Enhanced means...simply, selling sets.

i'm interested in making my already AWESOME AUDYA4 sound even better

so AJ, please get in touch with me with more details,

thanks,
Lee

Why not just email him?

The problem most are missing here (except George) is He Works For Ketron USA! And is it not curious he did not have a "Regular/Stock" Audya 5 for Fran and Donny to demo??? Yes AJ can and should get paid for his "Enhancements" but this does not "Look" professionally appropriate.

Just my 2 cents.

Dan,
Thanks for your explanation of what AJ does. What I still do not understand is if Fran visited AJ to try out the Audya, is AJ selling keyboards or just modifications. If he is selling keyboards, this is where I have a problem. If only modifications where customers send them their keyboards bought from retail stores I have absolutely no problems. AJ certainly can sell after market products. It would just be a problem for me if he was selling keyboards and having a job with a keyboard company. Just so everyone here is clear, this is not allowed by any of the major keyboard companies.

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Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

Hi George...Our visit to AJ's home was to have a hands on play time of the Audya and if possible ..the Tyros4...

It was not a trip to purchase at all...The units AJ had at his home were the modified keyboards..I believe they were his own..maybe one was for a customer, i am not sure...

Prices were never quoted or brought up by I, Donny, or AJ..

The only price I was made aware of..was the AJAM Sonic package..that I did not mention, and should be between AJ and his customers..

I know that AJ works on a contractual basis..and is not an "Employee" as we would understand....If there are no limitations in his contract that would keep him from engineering on his own..I don't see a conflict at all..

And since the option lies with Ketron..if they want his completed up dated package...why could he not offer this to existing customers and "new" customers too.

Also I believe AJ's company offers a 2 year warranty..(probably because the factory warranty is voided)..So If AJ's company purchases an Audya, as a third party..modifies the keyboard..and resell the unit, with his warranty..

I don't see how any warranty issue comes up at all... All AJ has done is software related. Loading new styles and sounds and a tweaked OS should have NO impact on any hardware issues.

Does loading a Yamaha Regi-Stick void the warranty...? Of course not!

And, although Microsoft provide resources online to learn Windows, no-one expect THEM to publish "Windows for Dummies" for free. If AJ has written a BETTER manual than Ketron, why SHOULDN'T he sell it? Everybody bitches about not enough third party guides and DVD's, but here's someone doing it, and all you got is grief for him?

Chill, fellas!

BTW, if the original posts hadn't been taken down, most of this would have been self-evident. I can't for the life of me think why anyone would remove them...

AJ,

maybe you can post audio samples of this NEW stuff you've worked on,
especially new African styles, new audio guitars, etc

thanks

"I don't see how any warranty issue comes up at all... All AJ has done is software related. Loading new styles and sounds and a tweaked OS should have NO impact on any hardware issues."

Let's say a part time / under contract Yamaha or Korg engineer/product specialist bought keyboards for wholesale prices and had them shipped to their home. Then that same employee modified the keyboards and resold them with a longer warranty.

This would never happen with Yamaha or Korg.

To be honest, I don't see how AJ can offer any warranty himself, anyway. Does he realize the cesspool of technical support and parts issues he is getting himself into. Mind you, if 'technical support' involves only being available for two days a week I am not sure you could exactly call that a tough gig!

You won't find a Yamaha or Korg employee doing this because Yamaha and Korg products don't NEED this doing to them. But if they did, I am pretty sure that quite a few of you would be happy they did...

I'm sorry, guys, but I simply see this as just one MORE indicator of how bad arranger sales are, today. The Audya is a hell of a good sounding, well styled product. But there's little or no distributorship, they can't afford to support it properly, they can't afford to fix it properly, they can't afford full-time staff, and they couldn't afford to wait until it worked well before they released it.

Sadly, I think that eventually, all that will be left is Yamaha (and maybe Casio) making bland toys for boys and girls of all ages. Let's face it, consolidation has never made anything BETTER... Just homogenized, bland, and indifferent to niche needs.

Glad I got my G70 before the rot set in!

Glad i got my AUDYA4 to upgrade my G70
of course i still use my G-70, for 10% of my repertoire


i think it's great AJ is dedicated and is improving the AUDYA in the first place.

AJ should work for Ketron FULL-TIME

Prince Ajua Alemanji, CM (yes he's a "real" Prince) is doing a fine job, & has always been a good friend. Instead of all the hoopla & silly nonsense of the unknown here on SZ over the Audya why not privately email him and discuss your needs and issues with him. I'm sure you'll get all the info you desire from the horses mouth.

Donny,

In what country is he a prince?

Tom

I think you hit the nail on the head (for this you get a gold star).
He is only filling the void that some arranger products have.
It seems like others have sour grapes against AJ. Just because he is very talented and has the business sense to fill a void people are mad at him because they do not have the same talent and business sense to do what he does.
In order to get you have to give. You can not expect the home company to do every thing for you to help you sell the product.



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Cameroon, Africa

I find the "big band" style on the Audya to be limp also. Can one take a "big band" style from another source and program it in(from the S series, 3rd party programmer, etc)?

Lucky

Leezone has it dead right
its KETRON who should be providing all of this FREE to customers who have paid MASSIVE money for their product. They should buy it from AJ if its as good as we are told and especially if its FIXES for the bugs they allowed sent out on new product without obviously testing it all first. Are we to be the guinea pigs for ketron and pay dearly for the honour testing their stuff??

Probably not, but the home company should provide a product that doesn't need practically a major revamp in order to sound as it should have in the first place.

Ian

You can try but you will probably be worse off thru conversional problems via proprietary issues.

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Fair enough, but I dont see any fix for the fact that Assinging outputs 1234 does not work properly and can not be saved
Anyone know about it or maybe advise?

Want to send bass to 1 out snare to 2 etc etc--simple and easy on the X!
How come it will not work on audya?

Have you spoken to Aj as of yet on this issue....?

When someone representing a manufacturer and distributor at a major trade show says, "buy this board from me, write the check to me (the individual) and don't tell authorized dealers", that's just wrong. This has happened multiple times-same individual involved and is done on an on-going basis from locations other than trade shows. Such activity would NEVER be tolerated in any industry I know of, and I've been in the manufacturer/distributor/dealer relations business for years.

And when the distributor is told directly by multiple people, multiple times, including authorized dealers that this is happening and does nothing to stop it...

THAT'S WORSE!

Bad ethics and bad business practices, no matter how you look at it. I could NEVER deal with individuals like this. The "sleeze" factor is just too great. Too bad, because I like the product line and have 4 units of theirs.

How sad!

Russ



[This message has been edited by captain Russ (edited 10-28-2010).]

Kevin,
Proceed as follows ...

* Press MENU
* Press OUTPUT ASSIGN (F5).
* Press F1 (Out 3&4) and select the component with the up and down data arrow buttons and use the < and > data buttons to to assign the component highlighted to MAIN/STEREO or Output 3 and 4..
* Press F3 (Out 1&2) and repeat as above. Change U1 to Out 1&2 Mono so you have more options to send some components out of output 1 and others out of output 2. Again, the center of the screen will display what can be assigned to these outputs or the MAIN outputs.
* Press F2 (Out 1&2 Drums - Drum Outputs) and select which outputs you want which individual drum parts going out of (out1, out 2 and main outputs are your options).

When done, press SAVE U5/10.

Exit from here into the default screen.

Press SAVE and CUSTOM STAART UP (F6) to save so you don't have to repeat this procedure each time you power on your unit.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,

AJ

Perhaps.

The T4 is what the T3 should have been and the PSR S910 is what the PSR S900 should have been.



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Yes I have spoken to him and to be fair he has been most polite and helpful. However the advise he gave has not worked so far--I still cannot save the sliders settings despits following all advise given and i still can not assign and Save seperate outs properly -the audya reverts back every time.
In all fairness guys, half of these problems could have been averted if ketron had only printed a PROPER manual with questions and answers and a comprehensive explaination of each function . Instead they give Lip Service to most of it in my opinion

Rusty what can I say?....what you want to do is either Possible on the Audya..or it isn't.....or worst scenario somthing is wrong with your unit. That is what I am thinking as you say AJ has given you instructions that it "can be done"?
or am I missing something here?

Thanks so much for taking the trouble to explain but unfortunately I think that is exactly the procedure I have been following and so far it has not worked. However, never say die, and I will try again later and let you know how I get on
Thanks Again !!

The AJAM Sonic type of upgrade is not unusual. AJ did a similar project on the SD1 called EXP. For those who remember the DX7, there was an upgrade known as Gray Matter E! ... both keyboards which I own, BTW.

Glenn

Correct...I have said that very thing myself many times, although there are those who disagree with that statement.

Glad you see my point.

Ian

Enhancement products sold b AJ are his and I agree he should be able to sell these just like he did with the SD1 upgrades. But Dan says he gets his keyboards from dealers in Maryland and Connecticut and unless he is buying them as a dealer and not as an individual, he has no authority to give them a factory warranty, only his own warranty. Warranties are in affect for original owners, not second owners and since AJ is not a dealer he cannot offer a factory Ketron warranty.
I am reading all your posts hear about the need for his upgrades and his knowledge base for these products. Those that don't see any conflict with his selling actual keyboards have probably not been in a retail business. I too think that Ketron should be paying AJ for his talents and implementing his upgrades into their products and paying him for his time in development.
I think all that have shared an opinion here have valid points. I think it's enough said.
I hope Ted from CMC has been reading these posts and will try to include AJ's upgrades in the Audya keyboards he ships out through his dealer network either paying AJ or charging dealers who in turn will charge their customers and thus allowing AJ to be compensated for his efforts.


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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

George ... Amen!!! That makes perfect sense to me!

I just wonder why it is that people who don't own an Audya, have never seen an Audya, and have no intention of ever getting one, are so intent on running it down, with such statements as it being a work in progress, or full of bugs, etc. Yes, there have been a few problems in the U.S., but there have also been thousands sold that don't have problems, including mine.
Rest assured that the Tyros 4 is certainly NOT a work in progress, because the next upgrade they offer will be the Tyros 5.
I will also bet one million dollars that I can find some bugs in it. And I will bet a somewhat lesser amount that those bugs will never be addressed by Yamaha Japan unless they cause the thing not to boot!
Some people here must have lonely, un-fulfilled lives to spend so much time running down what the other guys have.
As far as A. J., he is a brilliant technician and is trying to make money for himself. Ketron MUST be aware of his business practices and evidently condones them.
I only wish they would issue a clear explanation of what, if any, marketing rules are in place. My relationships with the distributor and A.J. have been good, so I don't really have a horse in the race except that I want the company to do well. They have a truly unique product that fills a niche that nobody else reaches.
DonM

Don you are on the money...

Rusty 999

I just looked at your post a little closer and saw you made reference to the OUTPUT ASSIGN (SEPARATE) as per X1 and SD1/SD1Plus.

On the X and SD1 Series, you were able to go to OUTPUT ASSIGN and choose SEPARATE 1, 2, 3 4 [F5] which displayed a screen that had ALL arranger parts (Chord 1-5, Bass, Drum1, Drum2) and you could [for each one] assign to either output, correct?

On the AUDYA, this detail degree of assignment can't be achieved (as of OS 4.1 or earlier) ... the reason being that - in this system, the outputs are GROUPED such that each pair is routed to an effects bus, thus eliminating the loose of effects (as was experienced in the older SD1 and X series) when separate outputs are used simultaneously. This is why in the case of AUDYA, the outputs are GROUPED (1&2), (3&4), and Main (L&R) which 'limits' your capability to truely assign 'all' parts to 'any' output, but rather you are compeled to use the parts displayed per output selected.

Hopefully this now better explains your delima with the output issues and I am sorry if I mis-understood your initial request ... a lot of new development plus stuff I'm personally working on going on which has kept me away from getting answers to you and others as quickly as I would have liked to.

If your issue however is that you have been able to get the outputs routed the way you like and you have followed the SAVE procedure (as outlined above) and somehow your machine is NOT saving your settings, you might need to have that unit checked (unless there is some other user setting/error I am not aware of at this time). We can discus this further next Monday so we dot all "i's" and cross all "t's"?

Thanks,

AJ

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I must confess that I have several times been offered discounts at trade shows. They were courtesy discounts, as in one dealer to another, or their employees, and were often for special unboxed items used for demo purposes in the show.

That Russ may have in the past experienced this (if I am gathering this right), the issue should only be a factor if AJ does this to the general public, away from a trade show (where the public doesn't go) and sells boxed, new goods. Has this happened?

BTW, before everyone goes off the deep end for AJ's sounds and styles edits, and gets all indignant that Ketron don't incorporate them, how about an actual A/B comparison... One man's meat is another man's poison. You may not even LIKE the edits...!

But I can see a lot of requests from the Yamaha type players that they might like the drums turned down, maybe edited a bit less in your face... Maybe that's what AJ has been doing? Trying to turn a ballsy live arranger into the same kind of canned muzak arrangers so many like?

(BTW, I will save Ian the hassle of typing out that I am one of those looking for that Yamaha sound... I would only have to reply that there are certain types of gigs where you NEED that canned muzak sound! And some where you don't... )

Diki, I'll sell you a PSR2000 really cheap. Then you can have the refined sound when you want it, and the Roland sound when you want to sound GREAT.

DonM

Methinks you want a PSR because it is one you could actually carry to a gig, and not having a car, that would be beneficial.

That "canned muzak sound", or "smooth and detailed", as I like to call it, worked great for those lucrative restaurant gigs...no fighting off drunks...and a nice meal at the end of the gig...those jobs helped me pay for a house, car, groceries, utilities.

As others will tell you, the Yamaha sound works very well for other type gigs.

I did a season of theater concerts alternating between a Tyros and a PSR-S series, pumped through two Bose L1's in beautiful, sumptuous stereo...nothing but compliments on the sound.

It also says a lot, as well, at how nice the Bose and Yamaha work together.

The Audya, although issue free to a few owners, is unbalanced, buggy, and fraught with problems...much like a bad marriage.

It's good to see they have a marriage counselor in the guise of AJ...they'd be in divorce court a lot without him.

Ian

Ketron gives you the upgrade for free, Yamaha makes you pay for it.

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AJ's upgrades are free?

Ian

He said Ketron gives you upgrades free..not a independent third party company...Stop twisting words to fit your own view..

I don't twist words....my statement was true...AJ charges for upgrades.

As far as Ketron itself...they better start charging for upgrades...that's why Yamaha is still in business.

Companies do things differently...look at Roland's arranger marketing...what a joke!

If they hadn't been so dumb, and they had listened to Diki, you'd probably be able to get rid of that dinosaur, and buy something up to date, and much lighter.

Ian


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Ian,

AJ is NOT Ketron
He is an INDEPENDENT contractor.


AJ spends 100's of HIS OWN hours tweaking, adding, recording, editing to perfect/improve the AUDYA,
then decides to charge for HIS work.

what's the problem?

would you IAN,
spend lots of your OWN time on your beloved Yamaha910,
then GIVE FOR FREE for all others to reap the benefits?

let's be REALISTIC for ONCE !!!



[This message has been edited by leezone (edited 10-29-2010).]

Actually, Lee, I have given away for free, ALL my work on the S910 (styles, registrations, etc.) to my friends on the Yamaha forums, and also here on SZ.

I was not compensated in any way, other than the good feeling that comes with sharing and not expecting anything in return.

Anyone who knows me well, will confirm what I just said.

I am only paid by Yamaha when I do clinics and demos.

Surely you don't put a price on everything you do?

Ian

Ian,

That great you've had a pop at 3 people all in one go, I can only do one on a good day, Roland OK your right but what about Roland organs what do you think about those.

Tony

Keep in mind..AJ's package is not just simple mix changes..He has truncated and altered the audio samples to sound proper ..and added brand new samples to work with his brand new styles..I also understand that the package includes a newly burned Eprom chip...

I don't think your "free" stuff goes to that extent..Does it Ian?

so Ian,

if YOU spent hundreds, maybe thousand dollars hiring musicians & studios to get New Audio Guitar Loops, you still would share with EVERYONE for free?
oops..the 910 doesn't have audio guitars, sorry

maybe AJ has expenses, who knows...
maybe AJ wants to be compensated, as i'm sure he could be spending his time on other things.

i too have shared my work with others,

it's too bad i don't like Yamaha arrangers to reap your benefits...

Like you, Tony, I try to be subtle.

The Atelier is a marvelous instrument, as are the VK's, but I think you are referring more to the former.

I've played several Ateliers, but they are scarce, due to the very high price tag...they are/were, however, more plentiful than the G and E series Rolands.

I'm not a fan of touch screens, but it worked pretty good.

I see the new models offer the ability to play VIMA TUNES with optional CD Drive, you can enjoy attractive slide-shows and lyrics with music.

Certainly meant as a "home" or a permanent fixture in a club or restaurant.

What about you Tony...do the Ateliers have some sort of attraction?

Ian

AJ does completely different work than I do...no doubt he has expenses.

Then again, so do I.

I'm not criticizing the fact that he charges...I'm just saying he does.

I am saying Ketron should charge for upgrades...they surely need the money.

Ian

"Keep in mind..AJ's package is not just simple mix changes..He has truncated and altered the audio samples to sound proper ..and added brand new samples to work with his brand new styles..I also understand that the package includes a newly burned Eprom chip..."

I'm getting confused.So current Audya owners have a product that the audio samples do not sound proper ?

I have been a long time supporter of Ketron products. So much so that my Church raised money to reimburse a church member who paid for a repacked but New Audya keyboard.

I had no idea that the audio samples could be improved to sound proper and we would need to pay to have that improvement ?

Dan the audio styles needed to be synced properly ..there were known glitches that appeared to be a timing problem when changing variations or fills...AJ found the problem to be the lengths and starting points of the Audio loops..He changed the starting position and truncated the ends to match the style positions...

I hope this helps, to understand some of his work..

Dan,

some styles which use audio loops, are not perfect,

i have posted examples of this

when audio loops repeat, there sometimes is a click, or it's slightly delayed or ahead

and AJ, i believe, is working on this

many people are OK with how it sounds
in fact, many don't even notice it
but my ears are quite sensitive, as you may already know
it's all about audio markers
there are not enough of them,
and some loops may not be of EXACT length

so hopefully AJ will fix EVERYTHING,

i too will help in giving AJ a list of "problematic" styles

even though the AUDYA has this "issue"
it's something that is known as hopefully soon will be fixed, for those of us who are picky, like me of course...

My biggest problem is not having enough time to dig deeper with the keyboard. I do enough to use it for praise and worship use at my church. But that's it.

I am primarily on line at work and due to restrictions at work, I can not view video's. So all the demo's posted of audio problems I have not listened too. When I am home, my teenage son and my facebook addicted wife are always on the laptop. Since I am on line all day at work, the last thing I want is to hop on line.

As a former retail music store owner who carried Ketron products, it would bother me if there was some under mining of opportunity to sell the product.

When I had my music store, AJ worked for me part time. I was around when he met with Ketron and was hired.We go way back.

With that said,retail store owners pay rent and enter into contracts with manufacturers to basically product their inventments.

So I side with retailers who have families to feed. Anyone can sell used Ketrons, but
I see this situation as a conflict of interest and not a good business practice.

It's not fair to retail store owners.



[This message has been edited by DanO1 (edited 10-29-2010).]

Just to be clear, I was referring to Ketron giving free upgrades not a third party like AJ providing a product that he sees people want and creating and selling the product.



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under mining? No one even mentioned that.
But there is no under mining of opportunity to sell the product.
All that is happening is a third party is seeing a need for certain things to be on the product and has the talent to fill that need.

Retailers of Ketron products are free I am sure to make instructional videos, make user styles, make user sounds in order to help sell their product.

Just like some Yamaha retailers give lessons and clinics to help sell Yamaha products.

When it comes to selling you can not be lazy then complain about another person’s hard work and dedication.

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Hold on folks...what I am hearing hear is AJ FIXED many problems on the Audya?? Correct? Not just offered new stuff.

At this pont I would ask while in the H has Ketron not fixed all this stuff...FOR FREE.

AJ should sell/charge or special things he developes (sounds/styles).

But, I guess if you bought an Audya and want AJ's stuff....including the fixes, and feel it's the right thing for you...have at it.

Me, If I had paid all that $$ I would expect Ketron to fix any issues including problems with sounds, audio loops, styles etc.
Lee S.

Fixes Ketron should do for free.
Enhancements if a third party wants to charge for them then he/she should.
Now all we have to do is distinguish between fixes and enhancements.


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