Just spent a little time auditioning all the T4 styles that aren't in my S910...
just to see what turns up....let me just say to everyone it's not worth the time & effort to edit the all....I would just wait for the S920 (?) or whatever to be released....I can tell that these styles must sound terrific on a Tyros4 for sure. But on the S910 although they do play need hours of work.. they lose alot for many reasons..many parts are not there sonically, even with a few replacement sounds that I tried still left a void....I would say now with all the technology Yamaha has designed in the Tyros4 regarding styles is pretty much also a protective measure in a way that even if people try to share these T4 styles, & use them elsewhere they will never sound the same as the original instrument they were intended for..as I decipher what I'm hearing even thru the muck and know many are really well done and must sound excellent on the Tyros 4 even though I have never played one yet. Waiting for the next MOTL unit so many of these styles will be tweaked for the unit will be the best bet.... Anyway just wanted to tell you people what I was doing in between watching the world series...

Nice post donny!
I'm also waiting for the next MOTL arranger from Yamaha (and maybe korg, if they fix the UI...)

BTW, where did you actually get the T4 styles?

SHIM

It was the same deal with T3 styles in the T2 and S900, wasn't it?

Someone has to write some software that automatically removes the specific new data...

Mind you, some Roland-like Makeup Tools, and doing this ought to be a LOT easier!

Roland make great make-up tools...unfortunately, these styles won't even load into a Roland, let alone allow you to edit/revoice.

With Yamaha's excellent Style Creator/editor, it is possible to make the styles workable, if you experiment with the mega-voices that are provided on the S910/Tyros3, and at least, the styles load in without any issue.

However, the only instrument in/on which they will sound as they should, is a Tyros4.

Several SZ'ers have emailed me and said they were getting a Tyros4, and several more have already purchased, and are pleased as punch with the instrument.

It appears I may be among the latter very soon.

Ian

I'm sure they'll work on a T3 though. The s910 is missing many of the drum kits on the T3 and T4, and most importantly, it is missing many of the FX.

Much less tweaking is needed on the Tyros3...plus, all the T3's styles, some very similar to T4's, but without the vocal patches, will work great in the latter.

Ian

Shim,
I am curios as to specifically what you think needs fixed on the Korg UI?
Thanks,
Lee S.

I spent an hour playing a Korg pa2xpro the other day and I had no problem with the UI. I thought it was very intuitive and straight forward. The only other Korg I ever played was the pa80 many years age.

Tom

Tom

It's not as simple and straight forward as Yamaha's system, to put it simply...

I found the menu system very UNintuitive. with the global settings, and the "performances" which use the same buttons as the Voice buttons, all in all I found it quite difficult compared to Yamaha's simple system, with Registration's etc...

Don't get me wrong, I still like Korg, and lots of the Korg sounds are much more realistic than Yamaha.

I also like that you can put different time signatures in one beat; that is, let's say 4/4 in variation 1, and 3/4 in variation 2 which you CANNOT do in the Yamaha.

But in general, I think Yamaha is much more straight forward. That's all.

Hi Guys,
are the T4 styles still in the same format as the T3 styles, ie do they basically not work well in earlier yammie keyboards because of the lack of the new T4 voices, or are there other factors.
I managed to convert a couple of the T3 styles across to Korg ( from midifile format), and since I didn't have a T3 to compare my conversion with, I have no idea whether I even got close to the original
( ignorance is bliss ), just be fascinating to see if a T4 could be converted in the same way.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Rikki



The format of the style's CASM data (which control the interpretation of the MIDI data in the style) has is the new one shared by Tyros 3 & 4; PSR S910/S710; and the CVP 5xx serie.

This new format can not be loaded in older models unless conversion.

My "Style Format 2 Converter" software program at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/sf2c/index.htm will convert the styles technically.

You still have to revoice the styles yourself.

Best wishes
Jørgen




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Hi Jorgen,
so things did change.
I just downloaded the T2 & T4 manuals.
The one major difference I noticed is the
Note Transposition Rule for Guitar. Didn't exist in the T2.
So I suppose any style that uses the NTR setting for Guitar, won't play back quite correctly in the earlier models.
The note transposition tables on the other hand still appear to be the same?

How did you get around it?? Did you default to the Root Tranpose setting instead?
I found in my korg , I was safer using the above ( equivalent setting ) rather than the root fixed setting especially if there is some sort of arpeggio involved.

There again, I have the option of doing my settings individually track by track, which you can't really do in an automatic conversion when you're trying to keep it assimple as possible for the user.

I did notice with the T3 styles I tried converting they appeared far more complex than my earlier psr styles when I opened them up in my sequencer. It was probably the guitar NTR tracks I was looking at..

With my editing for the korg, I have the luxury of just changing the yammie file extension to .mid, edit it in a pc sequencer, and then load it in, & do my settings in the korg itself..

Might do a revisit of some of the yammie ntt & ntr settings & work out how they correspond with my korg settings. They sort of make a bit more sense to me now than they did before I got the korg. I spent a long time trying to work them out & now when I take a look at the yammie settings , they are quite similar.

Thanks Jorgen

best wishes
Rikki





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Jørgen,

Your programs are invaluable.

Thank you for sharing your expertise.

Ian

Shim,
I see...well I understand as I had the T2 then went to PA2XPRO...at first I felt it was harder and I felt like I was kind of lost.
But, after a while I now see it is easier...per say different.
I agree I like the registrations too...but once you get used to doing the performances and using the top notch song book all is well.

As you probably know one reasonit may seemharder is that there is a lot more there.

Also, If yo did not get used to the shift key shortcuts...that wold have made a difference as most functions have a shift + 1 shortcut.

Lee S

Hi Jorgen,
I just came across MB's Style Dump software via your site. This will be handy for working out which styles use Guitar setting.
Also shows the casm settings for the style.
May come in really handy for my korg conversion.

Also came across your Style File Renamer.

One thing I've never quite worked out, is there a difference between the various yamaha file names ie .sty, prs, sst etc

ie just say I edited a .prs style & saved it as a .sty file instead, does saving it as .sty , automatically alter something about the style.

Reason I'm asking is, with my korg I export style as a midifile into a pc sequencer, I can then do a bit of editing, resave as a midifile & then import back into the korg.

With a lot of the yammie styles, I can change an extension from just say .sty to .mid. In .mid format I should be able to edit the style in a pc sequencer, but trying to change the .mid extension back to .sty extension, I've never been able to get to work.
Then I came across Jorgen's program "style file renamer". It does change it to .sty.

Hence I'm wondering, if I do the above, would it alter the style in some other way that I'm not aware of??

best wishes
Rikki

best wishes
Rikki






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