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#297960 - 10/28/10 09:47 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by gilbert:
Scottye,
Thanks for the heads up I was not aware who compiled the Reports only they were written by the same person,Reading the two conflicting reports made me question the credibility of either.

Regarding the other members report see,
http://www.yamahapkowner.com/forum/index.php?topic=27625.0

Read the whole thread.

Gilbert.



It reads like a Typical fan club...Seldom will disenchanted Yamaha owners speak up...but when they do....the teeth show from the Yamaha fans...These are the same folks that said how great Leigh sounds playing the Tyros4 in another video...they don't know it was Leigh also...
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#297961 - 10/28/10 09:53 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
It reads like a Typical fan club.....


That's because it is a fan club...no different than the fanboy crowd at Roland arranger...which, for some explicable reason, is very slow lately...

Ian
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#297962 - 10/28/10 10:10 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
Quote:
Originally posted by tony mads usa:
... any other T4 owners have this problem?
t.


NO. Happy T4 owner!

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#297963 - 10/28/10 10:27 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
gilbert Offline
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Registered: 03/09/02
Posts: 294
Loc: Oelsnitz /E Germany
Fran,
I respect the points you make,If that's your opinion, fine.

I see that Ian has put a more realistic slant to the thread and forum , of course it all boils down to brand loyalty.


Make no mistake the members new who was in the video and who produced the articles.

If you read the thread thoroughly you would have seen due to the personal attacks on the author,although not named the thread was locked by admin
.Remember he was a contributor to this fan club at one time.

A happy Tyos4 owner,

Gilbert.

[This message has been edited by gilbert (edited 10-28-2010).]

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#297964 - 10/28/10 10:40 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by gilbert:
Fran,
I respect the points you make,If that's your opinion, fine.



I agree with you Gilbert...Fran has points that should be respected, especially considering his age.

Seriously, it's not unusual for keyboard owners to defend their choice...Fran actually does it more than anyone here, yet it's okay for him to present a double standard...

I really am looking forward to the Tyros4, and putting it to the test...it sounds awesome...absolutely awesome.

Ian
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#297965 - 10/28/10 10:46 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Gilbert..that was my point..a Yamaha Tyros4 owner posted on a Yamaha club..and the reaction was predictable with a negative comment...

I didn't see any discussion about the possible problem..just retaliation against the poster...who seems to be respected by many Yamaha folks..

It sorta kills any effort to find out if there was a problem..or not..

Turning a head..or a cold shoulder doesn't resolve anything..
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#297966 - 10/28/10 10:47 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
gilbert Offline
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Registered: 03/09/02
Posts: 294
Loc: Oelsnitz /E Germany
Ian,


You will not be dissapointed IT IS AWESOME
.

Gilbert.

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#297967 - 10/28/10 11:01 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
ianmcnll Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by gilbert:
Ian,


You will not be dissapointed IT IS AWESOME
.

Gilbert.


So far, I've heard great reports...with the exception of the person named in this thread.

I know it's good when I hear the guys at Head Office raving about it, and a lot of them aren't even keyboardists (and hard to impress)!

I've experienced no poly issues with the Tyros3 I have here...I'm trying to recreate the alleged T4 problem, but it just doesn't happen.

Ian
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#297968 - 10/28/10 11:03 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
gilbert Offline
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Registered: 03/09/02
Posts: 294
Loc: Oelsnitz /E Germany
Fran,

This is the post I really was referring to,written by a well known professional and teacher I also feel it is a very credible response regarding polyphony.You as a professional should know if this post is valid.


I think I did the typical, normal play polyphony usage in another thread. 128 notes to start.

Let's assume that the 3 RH voices you use are 2-layers each and you play a four note chord. So that's 3x4x2= 24. Then add a 4 note left hand chord with a 2-layer voice, that's another 8, making 32. That still leaves 96 voices for the accomp and multi pads.

Even allowing for some use of sustain, that still leaves some reserves. The note-robbing algorithm is a bit more complex than letting the oldest notes go first. It tries to let the least significant notes go. Most times, you won't even notice it working, if indeed it has to.

I did some playing during my review session using the style mentioned in the OP, and I found no such problems, but it's something I'll follow up on in part 2 of my review.


Fran I Hope this helps you understand the credibility cap I feel is prevalent in the aforementioned articles,Although this has to some degree been explained by Scott

Gilbert.



[This message has been edited by gilbert (edited 10-28-2010).]

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#297969 - 10/28/10 11:29 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Is it the same guy who has a really low opinion for those who use recorded audio backing tracks?

http://www.jazzhooves.com/2010/10/lazy-musicians/

Ian
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