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#297950 - 10/28/10 06:51 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
leeboy Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Loc: Ocala, FL USA
Fran,
Absolutely, you want the polyphony allocation by priorities (You should see how Kurzweil does it, amazing). Yamaha's does not do that? Are you sure, hard to believe. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just surprised.

Lee S.
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#297951 - 10/28/10 06:55 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Lee I don't know if the newer Yamaha uses reserve allocation..but the older models didn't..but something doesn't work according to reports...Maybe Yamaha has to poll there membership and find out if this is good marketing strategy..
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#297952 - 10/28/10 06:56 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
I thought Yamaha might have finally fixed this...but apparently not ..by this report..and I do believe the report...



I believe the report to be accurate as well.

I also believe that playing block chords when the instrument already has harmony assigned to the stacked voices, would tax the polyphony of any instrument.

Ian
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#297953 - 10/28/10 07:06 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
leeboy Offline
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Yep Ian I agree...why would the guy play block chords in RH with harmony turnd on?

That had to sound like crap.

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#297954 - 10/28/10 07:11 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Lee I don't know if the newer Yamaha uses reserve allocation..


Actually, Fran, I honestly do not know.

Does the G-70 use reserve voice allocation?

Ian
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#297955 - 10/28/10 07:14 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
Fran Carango Offline
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YES
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#297956 - 10/28/10 07:30 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
YES


Did you try stacking 3 voices in the RH, and applying Melody Intelligence, or whatever Roland now calls automatic harmony...and checking to see if you lose any voices in the style (or elsewhere)....especially Big Band or other styles that use lots of style parts.

Perhaps Diki, and other G-70 users, could try this as well?

Same for the Korgians.

Ian
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#297957 - 10/28/10 09:00 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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Originally posted by gilbert:
scottyee, Read his other report as well.
HE says, Best Keyboard in the World.


Gilbert, your above cited report was Leigh Wilbraham's initial reaction written back on Oct 9th following a relatively short 2 hr demo, and without sufficient opportunity to really delve into the keyboard himself.

The latest recent report (Oct 25) was written only after purchasing & now owning the Tyros4 himself, and finally having extensive time to explore & play it.

Quote:
Originally posted by gilbert:

You can also read on other forums members who have proved his claim not to hold water


Can you please provide a link.

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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
if you play block chords, on any instrument with stacked voices and the harmony on, it sounds like mush...so why use this technique?


Hi Ian. I seriously doubt Leigh attempted to play RH block chords with Tyros4's 'harmony button' on. Leigh's arranger keyboard knowledge and pro level musicianship evidenced by this video by him certainly appears to attest to this.

That said, because I too like to play arranger kb in a similar jazz style to Leigh's video, I'm now anxious to find out how serious (if at all) polyphony is on Tyros4. Any other Tyros4 owners (or those who have auditioned one) care to comment? Thanks. - Scott

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[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 10-28-2010).]
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#297958 - 10/28/10 09:09 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
"Hi Ian. I seriously doubt Leigh attempted to play RH block chords with Tyros4's 'harmony button' on. Leigh's arranger keyboard knowledge and pro level musicianship evidenced by this video by him certainly appears to attest to this."


Scott, I did not know it was Leigh who wrote the article...

However, even with his level of musicianship, it could happen.

Perhaps Leigh himself should be consulted.

Ian
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#297959 - 10/28/10 09:22 AM Re: Tyros4 Polyphony is Terrible!
gilbert Offline
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Registered: 03/09/02
Posts: 294
Loc: Oelsnitz /E Germany
Scottye,
Thanks for the heads up I was not aware who compiled the Reports only they were written by the same person,Reading the two conflicting reports made me question the credibility of either.

Regarding the other members report see,
http://www.yamahapkowner.com/forum/index.php?topic=27625.0

Read the whole thread.

Gilbert.

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