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#299339 - 11/14/10 10:43 PM Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
Scottyee Offline
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Wow! The difference is dramatic - Listen and Compare:

Yamaha Tyros4 - Acoustic Jazz Style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfKs4ZK7Dk

vs.

Korg Pa2x - Acoustic Jazz Style...
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/mp3/pa2x/Full_Songs/05_Piano_Trio.mp3
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/mp3/pa2x/Styles/14_Smooth_Jazz.mp3
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#299340 - 11/15/10 12:20 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
Scott Langholff Offline
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It appears Smooth Jazz is a style and Piano Trio is a sequence.
http://korgpa.com/pa_root/en/products/pa2x_demo.html?en

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#299341 - 11/15/10 12:56 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
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This is the best 4 beat I have ever heard on an arranger keyboard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K4oStMa9Fs

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#299342 - 11/15/10 03:35 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
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Quote:
Originally posted by Scottyee:
Wow! The difference is dramatic - Listen and Compare:

Yamaha Tyros4 - Acoustic Jazz Style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfKs4ZK7Dk

vs.

Korg Pa2x - Acoustic Jazz Style...
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/mp3/pa2x/Full_Songs/05_Piano_Trio.mp3
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/mp3/pa2x/Styles/14_Smooth_Jazz.mp3



Very good Tyros demo, but, is there a kind of small glitch in the fill-in in 0:31 ?

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#299343 - 11/15/10 05:39 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
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The big problem with the tyros swing that Scott provided is, the drummer must have 3 hands. There are a few spots where suddenly a sticked cross-stick shows up, yet the cymbals and snare accents are still done with brushes. One stick and one brush would be possible, but not 2 brushes and a stick. Stupid programming.

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#299344 - 11/15/10 07:33 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
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I liked the Korg smooth jazz better..seemed more real and a better rhythm. Nice horn too.

BUT, They were both great in there own way.

Lee S.
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#299345 - 11/15/10 07:37 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
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Quote:
Originally posted by leeboy:
I liked the Korg smooth jazz better..seemed more real and a better rhythm. Nice horn too.

BUT, They were both great in there own way.

Lee S.


I agree the KORG units certainly sound more "LIVE"

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#299346 - 11/15/10 08:04 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
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Another issue I had had with the Yamaha is that in variation 1, there was a strong splah cymbal crash on beat "one". This is not very stylisticaly appropriate
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#299347 - 11/15/10 09:09 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
trident Offline
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Loc: Athens, Greece
Quote:
Originally posted by FAEbGBD:
The big problem with the tyros swing that Scott provided is, the drummer must have 3 hands. There are a few spots where suddenly a sticked cross-stick shows up, yet the cymbals and snare accents are still done with brushes. One stick and one brush would be possible, but not 2 brushes and a stick. Stupid programming.



Rory, your comments never cease to amaze me. I think that I am not putting down anyone here when I think that no-one else here would notice that. Thank you.

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#299348 - 11/15/10 10:06 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
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#299349 - 11/15/10 10:09 AM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
Scottyee Offline
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To ADD to the above Yamaha & Korg 'acoustic jazz style' comparisons:

Ketron Audya - acoustic jazz style :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQGXhTB3TVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WxlghH3_DE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpsCo-qvISI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r8e7Q0r1mE

[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 11-15-2010).]
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#299350 - 11/15/10 01:12 PM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Quote:
Originally posted by Scottyee:
Wow! The difference is dramatic - Listen and Compare:

Yamaha Tyros4 - Acoustic Jazz Style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpfKs4ZK7Dk

vs.

Korg Pa2x - Acoustic Jazz Style...
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/mp3/pa2x/Full_Songs/05_Piano_Trio.mp3
http://www.korgpa.com/pa_root/mp3/pa2x/Styles/14_Smooth_Jazz.mp3



The very first time I heard this Tyros4 demo, I was impressed with the improvement of the brush kit..and I have said so..at the time..
I think the Tyros4 sounds better than any previous Yamaha model...even if only slightly better than the Tyros3...

Unfortunately, when compared to the Korg and Ketron demos provided...the Tyros4 demo doesn't belong in the same room as the Korg, Audya..

The Korg sounds live way beyond the Tyros..and the Audya realism is unmatched..

Now a combination of the Yamaha lead sounds (a few)...)...the swing styles from the Korg, and the arranger sounds from the Audya..would make a great keyboard..but if you could only have one board..comparing these demos...the Audya has the edge over the Korg......just put the Tyros4 back in the box..

Another point when considering cost..the Korg becomes a possible front runner...the Yamaha definitely stays in the box on that count too...
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#299351 - 11/15/10 02:15 PM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
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"Now a combination of the Yamaha lead sounds (a few)...)...the swing styles from the Korg, and the arranger sounds from the Audya..would make a great keyboard..but if you could only have one board..comparing these demos...the Audya has the edge over the Korg......just put the Tyros4 back in the box.."

I agree Fran. I like most of Yamaha lead sounds, in fact I think they sound better than Audya. But those Audya styles are something no one else comes close to yet.

Maybe Korg strikes a balance in lead sounds, a more live style sound, and affordability.
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#299352 - 11/15/10 05:20 PM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
Scottyee Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
The very first time I heard this Tyros4 demo, I was impressed with the improvement of the brush kit..and I have said so..at the time.. I think the Tyros4 sounds better than any previous Yamaha model...even if only slightly better than the Tyros3...

Unfortunately, when compared to the Korg and Ketron demos provided...the Tyros4 demo doesn't belong in the same room as the Korg,


I definitely agree with Fran on this one.
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#299353 - 11/15/10 05:40 PM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
leeboy Offline
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+1,
The Korg, while not perfect is a great instrument and a good value. I paid $3100 for mine. Lots of PRO features. 76 keys.

For me, while the Ketron sounds great..it is a littler too much in your face for the music I play. I don't go out and play for dancers.

The Yamaha is what it is..and actually may suit my style of play/music pretty well too.

I'm not paying $4,500 - $5,000 for an arranger!

Lee S.
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#299354 - 11/15/10 07:57 PM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
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I don't think this is comparing apples to apples. The Yamaha style is played without an intro and has parts turned off. All you hear are drums and bass plus the accompanying player. The other styles have more accompaniment and are played with intros.

Notwithstanding, I liked the first Korg demo a lot.

Beakybird

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#299355 - 11/15/10 08:12 PM Re: Acoustic Jazz Style Comparison: Yamaha Tyros4 vs Korg Pa2x
leeboy Offline
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Beaky,
Yes, it was sequenced.
I am working on making songs to play along with as I think on complex work, you can do a lot more.

And taking a song and making a song specific style from it too.
The Korg has superb tools to do all that.

Lee S.
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