1. Can you import an audio drum loop to a style? Can that drum loop follow tempo changes?
2. Can you import an audio bass line to a style? Can that loop follower tempo changes and chord changes?

3. Can you import a polyphonic sound loop (guitar, piano ..) to a style? Can that loop follow tempo and chord changes? How complex can the chord changes be?

The drum loop is the easy bit... But if you only have the ONE loop, there isn't anything that will say change a major bassline into a minor or diminished one. And the same (even more so, really) applies to chords. There's nothing realtime will turn a major into a minor or 7th, etc..

The only way this works is if you have a different loop for each chord type, and even that has it's limitations... unlike a MIDI line, an audio loop can't have an upper or lower limit set. It is going to transpose as a whole. So, to be fair, you'll need maybe two or three loops for different pitch wraparound ranges, and possible two or three loop sets at different tempi, to cut down on speed change issues as well.

Apart from drum loops, adding in other Parts in audio format is quite a can of worms. Now I expect an MS owner to chime in and tell you how easy it all ought to be, but before you take their word, ask them to play you something they have done in style mode using audio loops... Then listen to it as it goes through the changes, listen to the basslines as they transpose up and down regardless of pitch, listen to the chords move around in parallel motion, and compare it to how smoothly and musically this is done by MIDI arrangers...

1-yes
2-yes- yes/no (for chord changes there are many
options to do this,if you want)
3-yes- yes/no(for chord changes there are many
options to do this,if you want)

What are those options?

To me all this FRANKENSTEINING just doesn't cut it...I have played almost everything on the market and every time the original unit always sounds better then any imported, or open source arranger styles.......if someone would love to prove me wrong please post a few style demos done outside of the originals ones please.

Thank you

first you can insert more then one track audio to styles. for 8intro-8fill in-8variation-8end.

for chords:

-slice chords and make it like a drumkit with awave studio and save as giga sound, then on qranger editor record the notes like this (for the track qranger track operation you can use 3 options drum-bass-melody for each track if you use drum for track operation by chord changes, the notes are not transported and it wil play the sounds as they recorded for 32 chord types that you can use):



-make your audio styles, song specific. by using the chords used only on that song and the key you sing it. for example if you sing the song from E key and the song has 4 chords.
open on qranger editor one audio track with drum track operation for that track. create chords type that you want on that track.now you can insert for each chord type one audio chord.

- use celemony melodyne with DNA:
http://www.celemony.com/cms/


note: the image is not from qranger editor


[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 05-01-2010).]

Please tell me how do you expect the average user to understand what the heck all this open keyboard programing stuff is all about if you dont have any quality DVD instructional lessons to teach people how to understand and use these products...do you just assume everyone does.....this is a big part about WHY these open units are a very small part of the actual KB purchasing community...if at all....KNOWLEDGE goes a long way and should be treated very seriously by a manufacturer for all their products instead of just concerning themselves with making money then leaving the end user out to dry a year or so later when the discontinue that model and offer another. If they would just teach people what they are offering in layman's terms the sales will come soon enough.

Dnj,

there are more people who have ever used Propellerheads Reason, that for years is working with audio/drum slices as kits for recording songs.
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/

If you think today's young arranger players are unfamiliar with these things , you're wrong.

Most young people are so handy that without read the manual of something begin to use it!!!!!

sometimes some people here talk like they never seen a music software and know nothing of new today techniques and technology.


and the question was asked by someone who already knows these techniques with other similar software.

[This message has been edited by AFG Music (edited 05-01-2010).]

That might be true for many younger players.....but what about older baby boomers...there are many who would like to learn about it...don't assume so many people know what your talking about.
there are many who dont care to program, instead just want to play easily out of the box also. I sent a few emails to MS and never got a response.....so with that attitude I have decided to drop my ambitions to pursue a MS....but instead stick with companies that value their customers and offer better support when needed.

Thank you

All this reminds me the old times when you as a doctor could treat all the deseases. Nowadays medicine has become so complex and specific that I, as a general physician, have to refer patients to the specialist when some cases requiere the expert´s opinion.
Definetively computers in electronic music has reached such a complexity that exceeds the average musician's skill. This is not for the playing musician who requires times for learning new playing techniques.

IMHO, Victor