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#312047 - 01/13/11 12:33 PM The Game Changer! PA3X!
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#312051 - 01/13/11 12:38 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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Are you sure???? That would be a super addition, and probably worth the upgrade for those of us who like to "blow" over the top of the chord structure using both hands smile

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#312055 - 01/13/11 12:46 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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Yes, it does have Chord sequencer, actually is demonstrated in the video.
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#312058 - 01/13/11 12:58 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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The chord sequencer demo was chopped off before he got to explain it (at least when I viewed the video)... DAMN!

Mind you, it DID look like live chord input, which is what distinguishes a real one from simply a 'Chord Track', where you have to input the chords in advance.

My panties are getting moist!
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#312059 - 01/13/11 12:58 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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can anyone post full specs? Did they change the file structure of the styles?
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#312061 - 01/13/11 01:05 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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I saw some intro splash screen where they said Fill 3 & 4, too... still not the six or seven you get with Roland or Yamaha, but still mighty welcome.
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#312065 - 01/13/11 01:09 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
The chord sequencer demo was chopped off before he got to explain it (at least when I viewed the video)... DAMN!

Mind you, it DID look like live chord input, which is what distinguishes a real one from simply a 'Chord Track', where you have to input the chords in advance.

My panties are getting moist!


Yes, this could be what has been waited for, it was chopped RIGHT at that point in the video.....Hopefully a fuller demo after NAMM opens

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#312069 - 01/13/11 01:19 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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Originally Posted By: Nedim

And i know for a fact it has a Chord Sequencer.


Kudos smile to Korg for being the FIRST company to bring back the Chord Sequencer. It appears Korg the one arranger manufacterer thats been really listening to our wants, as they did in the PA2Xpro/ PA800, by adding advanced 'rootless chord' recognition. wink
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#312077 - 01/13/11 01:36 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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Now if only this CS, could be ported back to the PA2x?? It must be software (OS) driven, so maybe its possible???

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#312078 - 01/13/11 01:40 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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Full Specs from the Godfather HIMself:

http://www.korg.com/Product.aspx?pd=592
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#312080 - 01/13/11 01:41 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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God damn, 8 FX, Routing, Waves Mastering, Guitar Mode 2...what else...
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#312081 - 01/13/11 01:42 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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Chord Sequencer

Realtime Style Chord Sequencer Recorder
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#312085 - 01/13/11 02:03 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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* New TC-Helicon ® Vocal Processor (VoiceLive2 derived) with dedicated professional effects

* 'Ambience' Drums (hmm very interesting, looking forward to hear this)




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#312086 - 01/13/11 02:13 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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Plus an "Adaptive" vocal processor. From what I read this means it will automatically "listen" to your solo voice and apply the correct compression and other vocal processing, outside the harmoniser.

Speaking of which the harmoniser has obviously lifted the tech from the Harmony G series, as it now allows audio from MP3 files to trigger the correct harmonies.

Sweet!!!

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#312090 - 01/13/11 02:31 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: miden]
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Plus a mode on the pitch correction to do the T-Pain thing!

Can't wait to hear 'Beautiful Girl' from some of you guys laugh
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#312091 - 01/13/11 02:35 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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by 'chord sequencer', you mean what Yamaha calls 'chord track' ?
i.e. writing a full backing track with all the chords (and drum fills), but in step time, one event at time.


Edited by arranger_yes_pc_no (01/13/11 02:36 PM)

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#312105 - 01/13/11 02:53 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
Plus a mode on the pitch correction to do the T-Pain thing!

Can't wait to hear 'Beautiful Girl' from some of you guys laugh


ROTFL.....

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#312106 - 01/13/11 02:57 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: arranger_yes_pc_no]
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Originally Posted By: arranger_yes_pc_no
by 'chord sequencer', you mean what Yamaha calls 'chord track' ?
i.e. writing a full backing track with all the chords (and drum fills), but in step time, one event at time.


NO!!!

This is a real-time chord sequencer, where you start your style playing, and the record the chord changes for the entire song (or the section you want to loop) live, turn on the chord sequencer and then it keeps playing back the entire sequence of chords for you.

Enables two handed players to REALLY sound like a Jazz Combo!!
(err thats just ONE of the many examples of how it can be used)

As Diki has always said, and I agree : I cannot understand why this is NOT a standard function on ALL arrangers!!

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#312187 - 01/13/11 05:04 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: miden]
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that's too bad as I really dig the Yamaha 'chord track'. Although I can understand why the 'chord sequencer' is preferred by performers (I am more of a composer-songwriter but I still want to use styles).

One thing for sure: all arrangers should have ALL these options, and leave no one out...

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#312210 - 01/13/11 05:55 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: arranger_yes_pc_no]
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BUT, you can still do your so-called "chord track" method on the PA's as well smile

It's just the PA3 now ADDS the live method.

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#312240 - 01/13/11 07:02 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: miden]
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Be nice if the Korg lets you input the chords with the realtime method, then edit them later for storage... Step entry is such a PITA.
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#312241 - 01/13/11 07:06 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
Be nice if the Korg lets you input the chords with the realtime method, then edit them later for storage... Step entry is such a PITA.


DITTO! cool

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#312245 - 01/13/11 07:16 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Scottyee]
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Hey Scott... do a search at Roland-arranger.com for an article in the Suggest New Features I wrote quite a while back detailing things that COULD make the CS even MORE powerful. Just having one sequence in memory at a time is only the START of what it could do...
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#312246 - 01/13/11 07:18 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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And as 'me too' as the industry seems to be, perhaps now I can start to look forward to the day that Roland recognize the error of their ways and reintroduce the feature (and Yamaha, and Ketron, and Casio, and.....) wink
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#312253 - 01/13/11 07:40 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
And as 'me too' as the industry seems to be, perhaps now I can start to look forward to the day that Roland recognize the error of their ways and reintroduce the feature (and Yamaha, and Ketron, and Casio, and.....) wink


I'm just glad to see that Korg are still in the TOTL arranger business...it's encouraging to know that arrangers are still considered important to some companies...couldn't imagine doing without one and needing to do all "work" on an aptly named "workstation".

Hopefully Roland's TOTL arranger withdrawal is only temporary...the more in the competition mix, the merrier, and the more insurance that all these companies will continue to (or need to) do things better.

Competition benefits us all.

Good to see you back.

Ian
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#312257 - 01/13/11 07:57 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
Be nice if the Korg lets you input the chords with the realtime method, then edit them later for storage... Step entry is such a PITA.


it's not. Step entry is only a pity for single lines and melodies, a method I don't use. I record single lines and melodies in realtime: if I make a mistake, I use Punch In.

But for chords , step entry is the best. If you have the structure of the songs and the chords ready in your mind, it's very easy. You want to write a measure with this progression?

C, F, G, G, with a drum fill on the last eight note

it's very easy on the Yamahas. You just enter 'chord track',set the 'step' to quarter notes, and play directly the chords with your hands, no matter if you get the wrong timing.Then set to 'eight note' and play a fill directly from the panel. Done.

Software like Band in a Box does exactly that. Much easier than recording the whole thing in one go and then going back to edit all the mistakes, since with Korg, Roland and Ketron, you have to edit EVERY single note of the chords!

Not so with the Yamaha. And this can only be done on the Yamaha arrangers. Roland and Korg work exactly as you mentioned above: record the chords in realtime and then you can edit them. The trouble is that you can only edit the chords one note at a time, not as a complete chords, like the Yamahas DO.

The Korgs, for example, allow everything to be editable. But this is one of these cases where 'everything is editable' really works against the musicians, not in favour of.

The Yamahas have a very simple and direct recording workflow, once it's understood.


Edited by arranger_yes_pc_no (01/13/11 08:05 PM)

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#312288 - 01/13/11 10:14 PM Re: The Game Changer! PA3X! [Re: Nedim]
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