Round two sound wise Tyros 4.......feature wise Pa3x

Sounds are always subjective.., but in all fairness.., this video is a non professional example taken with someone's video camera. With the quality of this video itself I don't think it would rightfully do justice to any of the major keyboards on the market in terms of "sound quality".

However.., if we're looking at the features here.., WOW! Well done Korg!

Round two sound wise Tyros 4.......feature wise Pa3x

Michele Voncken & Peter Baartmans must have a big grin on their faces watching some of the Korg guys demonstrate.
They look lost or not prepared at all to demo a $4k unit.?

I have to agree that Korg's product demo specialists aren't as "lively" as Yammies. I think everyone should employ Bert. That man can make a roll up piano feel and sound like a "must have" item.

lively & talented ........ after watching these last 2 demos that Hot air balloon I mentioned yesterday just crashed to the ground ...Tyros4 players have NOTHING to worry about for sure.
I wish I was wrong

I wouldn't be so sure on that one Donny. The best sounding keyboard in the world could sound like utter doo doo in the hands of a less experienced individual (Tyros 4 included).

Put this new PA model in the hands of Bert and let him do a pro quality demo for it.., and I think we'd be seeing and "hearing" the true ability of this new model.

Korg's problem IMO is that their demo team isn't as polished on using arrangers (as they could or should be).

and that speaker thing

Why waiting for Namm to introduce a new keyboard? I've never watched/listened so far any good video made with a hand camera and live sound in those shows. I remember Yamaha creating big expectations in the general public (home players may be?) by announcing their new Tyros 2/3 introducing it sound by sound, little by little, day after day in very good quality videos. May be there is no money for marketing, may be it's a keyboard for the pros and there is no need for good video marketing, but they're missing a broad market around the world if they don't show well the instrument outside Namm.

Once again I will say...IMHO...I think the announcement was to be at Musikmesse not NAAM....that is apparent in the unprepaired demos. They decided to do it now...I have this from someone I trust, and is in the know.

So..relax...all the good demos etc will come.
PLUS, don't forget..we have SZ folks on site that will report back....I trust there opinions a lot.

Lee S.

listen to the Kronos demos and you wil hear god quality samples even from hand held cameras . I dont hink we can excuse the PA3X for poor sounding demos even with hand held cameras. Anyway i have said too much already. The instrument has only just been introduced and the keyboard is much deeper than its sounds. The value of the instrument is greater than the sum of its parts which is why i got the original PA1X. Certainly there is scope for better production on the PA3X and for sculpting the sound the way you want but out of the box the nod has to go to yamaha.

Wow! The Pa3X really sounds great! The demos, although recorded in less than ideal conditions, sounded very good on my computer system. Of course I've got a great sound card plus I'm running it through good quality speakers.

It should be very interesting to hear what the Pa3X really sounds like once there are more professional quality demos produced. Stand back Yammie! Korg may have just cleaned your clock.

The two concerns I have are that it still has only 120 note polyphony and/or the price. Weight doesn't seem to be too big of a concern for the 76 key version although the over 65 crowd will probably want to pass.

The TC Helicon Harmonizer appears to be outstanding too. It has the same technology as in the Voice Live2 apparently. The ability to play Mp3 audio is great also, plus the ability to remove the vocal part from the Mp3. I can't wait to hear some of the Organ and Guitar sounds too. Hopefully the B3 simulation is excellent as well as the other type of organ sounds. Korg is touting the Guitar sounds as amazing but we'll have to wait and see. I wonder when it will be available? NAMM > Not Available Maybe by May. Probably at least a few months wait more than likely. Oh well.

All the best,
Mike

Donny are you not the one who says ... " you must play it live .. "? In all fairness, the "Live" demo is "Minimal" quality.
I say lets take a big deep breath and wait for the real deal. As much as I am anxious to hear demoes I know a 'Live" demo like what we have seen so far will never do justice to any KB.

I'm pretty sure I heard from a reliable source that the PA2XPRO (I'm sue the 3 is the same) does not include the polyphony in the style tracks. Only L, R1, R2, R3.
But That's 2nd hand info
Anyways I'vs had a lot going on and never heard a dropped note on my PA2. But that doen't mean it hasn't happened.
Lee S.

That the point those demos were "real" played ootb and not studio enhanced like the factory ones will be ...... thats the way I wanted to hear them....& I'm not Impressed or amazed, sorry.

The crappy mics on those little video cameras don't record enough bass to balance the sound. There's no way to know what it really sounds like yet. The Yamaha streaming video came off the mixer, and you could hear all the parts.
I expect the sound of the Korg to be excellent. The variations in styles may be another story. We'll see if they have learned any Country since the last generation. They COULD listen to some Ketron styles to get a clue.
DonM

Back at Naam 2009, I recorded the below demo of Martin Harris playing Tyros 3 using my subcompact still camera with merely add on video capability which I'm sure has a similar/lesser quality 'built in' camera-phone type mic than was used on the Korg PA3X demos. For a more apples to apples equally lousy recorded 'sound quality' comparison between the PAX3 & the older Tyros 3, take a trip down memory lane and revisit my 2 year old Martin Harris Tyros 3 videos:

Nice demos .....but I'll never understand how one minute he's talking to the people... and the next he closes his eyes & always does this weird head trance thing when he starts playing it seems so fake.

Thanks Scott. I was wrong. It doesn't matter what camera has been used. It depends on the performer and it goes beyond how well he/she plays the keyboard, it also depends on the excitement transmitted by him/her by his gestures (may be those that Dnj didn't like)
I feel a positive energy watching Martin's own enjoyment.
Yamaha has transmitted me that since I was a kid, they know how to do it.

Hi,
personally, I don't think a demo would sway me one way or the other. I look for certain functions in a keyboard & base my decision on that.

i hear everything that has been said and its true, you cant really tell anything frim a hand held camera recording. But can anyone say that they were 'wowed' by what they heard from the Korg PA3X demo. I know when i heard the T2, T3 and T4 i had gear lust immmediately just by what i heard. I know its all flash and limited guts compared to the things that can be done with a Korg but the PA3X specs led me to believe that i would be wowed by the sound. The sound wasnt bad. But thats the highest praise i could give and i really wanted to be at least as wowed as i was by the yamaha demos just as scott (thanks scott) posted that were recorded on a hand held camera.

If Korg were not ready to demo the instrument then they really should not have demoed it at all. I am pretty sure that these demos have very much dampened the enthusiasm for the Pa3x. Just go to the Korg forum and the lack of posts says it all. What a terrible own goal by Korg. And i thought only roland knew how to destroy its own sales....

Anything other than peer demos is a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Mind you, I am surprised that some absolutely terrible user demos somehow don't get used as 'proof' that the instrument sucks in the first place, but a bad demo by some flack at NAMM that probably only saw the thing for the first time that day is offered up as proof incontrovertible.

Someone does an amazing launch demo, and people go 'That's sequenced, and massaged' (I remember seeing several Tyros 2 factory demos that, while being different players, was essentially the same performance with minor variations), and someone does a bad demo and it's all of a sudden the arranger's problem.

I have heard amazing factory demos for the T4 and Audya both, but OTOH, I have yet to hear a user demo that came close. Put these great keyboards in the hands of mere mortals, and you are going to get average (or less!) results.

Thank God, IMO it's still 90% the player. Then 10% preparation. And, in fairness, with BOTH, almost any arranger can be made to sound wonderful. And with them missing, any arranger can be made to sound BAD!

ok Diki . Lets see what korg comes forward with in the next few weeks to promote their latest offering.

The Pa3x is no dog for sure and i am not pushing that image. The specs tell you that it is capabale of much much more than its two predecessors. My critiscisms relate only to the repackaged sounds and styles.

Tyros 4 or psr s 910 has nothing to worry about.

Thnak Korg to put Yammy style 4 Variations, Chord sequener/More FX and graet harware and improved VH.But these guys are still missing the point .Korg styles (Long train running style sound the same as PA 50) in general still suck.

Wake up Korg! = If oyu can't fix your style department (more and more), you are not fixing anything.

Every arranger that comes out has basically the same ratio of old and new. And it is all usually no more than 10%. How many NEW sounds and styles did the T4 get, compared to the total number of sounds?

About the same.

If you like Yamaha, you aren't going to change ships for a mere 10% new in a Korg. And vice versa.