Is so good to see our friend Frank, very intense checking out the PA3X.Perhaps he will post soon some of his observations on this board since the demos did not say much.
Kudos Frankie...
From Phoenix AZ

Why cant they make (or want) make any decent demo's of the Korg ?
All sound terrible ,and they Al show the same style's and sounds.

Impuls

Why cant they make (or want) make any decent demo's of the Korg ?
All sound terrible ,and they Al show the same style's and sounds.

Impuls

The Kronos lot are not the target audience of the PA3X Bill. People like me are and if you go on the Korg Forum , people who were ready with their cheque book to buy the PA 3X WITHOUT SEEING OR HEARING IT are questioning now whether they will but it. You will notice a distinct lack of interest and very few people talking about buying the PA3X based upon these demos.

If thats not damage then i dont know what is. Even those that are interested are not saying ' wow what a great instrument, it sounds so much better than the PA2X ' . The most positive comments they can muster is ' i hope Korg come up with better demos ' or 'i hope that Korg have some more DNC sounds than the violin and harmonica'. Or ' i hope this is not the finished product ' !!

WOW what a GREAT instument the PA3x is. Yes I am interested and gonna buy one. I am also interested in the Kronos and if I have the money I buy both.

If the BK-7m has the ability to send individual Parts out via MIDI (and mute them internally), and the ability to change what PC/00/32 codes those parts send, it could be the WS add-on that we all wish for...

Sadly, Roland have been stepping backwards on those capabilities for quite a while. I wouldn't rule out it being able to do this, but I wouldn't get my hopes up, either.

Without the ability to play what will probably be MUCH better sounds in something like a Kronos or MoXF, it is still essentially a Prelude or GW-8 in a box. Breaking OUT from that box is what could turn this into the piece of kit we all REALLY want...

But even if the Roland can't do this isn't this a better option for me? For the same money a PA3x cost I can buy almost the 76 key version of the Kronos. Well I have a few months to think this over

Yes I think you are right but I don't do gigs but play as a hobby. I will probably go for the PA3x. For me this is a huge upgrade going from a PA500 to a PA3x. And there will be a Musikant version also of the PA3x with more then 500 styles and extra samples. Oh boy what to choose

Yes I like playing styles but I also like synthesizers. Actually I don't care much for DNC or SA voices I like fantasy sounds. And the Kronos is a dream machine with 9 engines. I really am not sure what I gonna do. I also need to know more about that BK 7m

I think I missed something. Is there also a PA3xPro?

IF you didn't need the VH or attached speakers at all, AND realistic orchestral sound was BIG...would you go T4 or PA3X?

The Tyros4 has the same excellent FSX keyboard as the Tyros3...the keybed was designed especially for using with SA/SA2 voices and is the same as the one in the Motif...it is, in my opinion, one of the very best semi-weighted actions you can buy today.

Ian,
Is the FSX a full stroke, standard spacing key bed?...and is the initial touch/aftertouch consistant throughout the entire range?

Do the keys actually have some small wieghts under them?

How wold you compare it to the HS8-T?

Ian, I feel I can make the comparison as I have owned and played both. As well as a Tyros 2, which I also believe had the FSX.

Please do not misunderstand me, the FSX action is very very good, just the Korg is better. And it just shades the Roland g70, with the G70 being a tad "lighter" in feel.

Dennis

PS: 100% agree, the ONLY way is to physically play them. If it was JUST only about orchestral voices, the Yammies win hands down

Again, "better" is your feelings on/about the touch...it is very personal. I know several players using PA2xPro and Tyros3, and they aren't brand loyal, but they feel the FSX is better for their purposes.

I should add, that the above statement also has the reverse, in that some would prefer Korg's action over the FSX....plus the 76 note Korg (XPro) might be chosen on it's extra bit of keys.

Damn, this not being able to edit (even within 10 minutes) is a pain.

Ian

No Ian, the M3 has a different keybed.

Dennis

I know we both agree that this is not a pissing contest...they never go anywhere, anyway.

Is there a Korg Workstation with a comparable (or the same) keybed and action to what is on the PA2XPro?

I'd like to have some idea what the PA2XPro's keybed feels like, as I hear that many like the action.

So, you aren't quite sure if you'll be upgrading to PA3X?

What would you need to discover about the new one that would make you decide to get one?

Ian

As far as I know Ian, the keybed Korg Italy used on the PA2xPro, was only used on it. You cannot even compare the PA1xPro as it used a different keybed again. Much lighter in action. Both Fatar, but different models..

I did have noted somewhere, what the actual Fatar model they put in the PA2x was, I will see if I can find it, and maybe you could try a keyboard using the same one??

Now your question re upgrading to the PA3?

I will not be. From what I have managed to learn online (and privately), there has been a slight increase in the number of DNC sounds, re-worked existing styles (not all with DNC either) mostly using the new effects and eq'ing and approx 45 brand newies.

Guitar Mode is STILL only capable of being used in style creation. It has a few more patches and strum patterns.

Styles can still only be edited created loaded in the cumbersome and very awkward "SET" system. IE no individual style loading. NO style previewing either.

Still no PC editing, there are a few more minor things, but to be fair to Korg maybe these will get addressed/fixed with software updates.

The ONLY thing I would consider as truly new is the chord sequencer, and I am no about to drop $4-5k JUST for that. Especially as a chord sequencer app could be developed for Linux, and therefore the new Groove Rack I will be adding to the PA2x.

Dennis

Donny, yes I think that will be the case. Or whatever Korg decide to call a PA4X..

Dennis

I have always held that the SHAPE of the G70 keys is at least as important as the weight. Weight is so subjective that it is tough to compare, your experience may vary depending on whether you come from an organ or a piano background, how hard you play, what you came from, etc..

But SHAPE makes a huge difference. The thing that always sold me on the G70(G1000/G800/A60) was the size, especially of the black keys, being closer to piano size, but that the key ends and black keys were slightly rounded. This allows you to BOTH play pianistically fairly well (and comfortably), without the small black keys and odd spacing that throws many pianists, AND be able to do organ smears, palm smears, glisses and the like, which are often MUCH harder to pull off on keys whose shape tends to catch on your hands. Pianists tend to finger gliss, but organists 'smear', it's a completely different technique, with a completely different sound.

Having ONE keyboard that can do BOTH (including sufficient keys to be able to pull off a decent full piano part) has always been one of my TOP priorities for a live gigging keyboard.

Weight, I can adjust to. I have had several different 76's, with very different touches (my K2500, for instance, makes a MUCH harder effort to be shaped and feel more like a piano), and I have managed to adjust to them all, but the shape of the G70 keys gives me the best compromise between organ and piano of ANY keyboard, at ANY price I have ever played.