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#313888 - 01/25/11 01:53 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: 124]
spalding1968 Senior Member Registered: 09/19/08 Posts: 1264 Loc: United Kingdom	precisely put 124. Yamaha were clearly aware of that when they demoed the T4 live to the world and wowed us. Korg were apparently aware of this when the launched the Kronos and their teasers were definately aimed at the end user and not the trade people in the run up to its launch. I feel for the Korg arranger product manager who basically just had his legs cut off from under him because Korg it would appear does not care about its arranger line. It isnt a good sign for ongoing product support if they couldnt even be bothered to try and sell the unit in the first place...... Edited by spalding1968 (01/25/11 01:55 PM)
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#313894 - 01/25/11 03:19 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: Scottyee]
WDMcM Unregistered	Sorry if what I am going to say ticks some folks off, but it is what it is. Of course I realize that everyone wants to know everything about every product that isn't even out yet (me included ) But NAMM, National Association of Music Merchants, is a trade show. The operative words being trade and merchants. This trade show is for merchants of the musical instrument industry. It is not a public event. The complaints some of you have regarding videos shot at NAMM should not be directed at the manufacturer or distributor, but at those folks who make their way into this trade show by some means, shoot lousy videos and then upload them for the public to view. These types of videos do little to promote the instruments and as others have pointed out, actually do damage to a product. But it is not the fault of the manufacturer or distributor. As consumers, you just have to be patient and wait for demos that are aimed at consumers; as painful as that can be (for me as well). Actually I suppose the real people at fault are the music store owners, and even sometimes manufacturers/distributors who give entrance badges to friends who really should not be there. Those non-industry people distract from what the show is all about by taking up the time of those working the show with personal questions, add to the already heavy crowd, grab giveaways that are meant for the dealer, and upload videos that have no business being seen.
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#313900 - 01/25/11 04:16 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: ]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: WDMcM Sorry if what I am going to say ticks some folks off, but it is what it is. Of course I realize that everyone wants to know everything about every product that isn't even out yet (me included ) But NAMM, National Association of Music Merchants, is a trade show. The operative words being trade and merchants. This trade show is for merchants of the musical instrument industry. It is not a public event. The complaints some of you have regarding videos shot at NAMM should not be directed at the manufacturer or distributor, but at those folks who make their way into this trade show by some means, shoot lousy videos and then upload them for the public to view. These types of videos do little to promote the instruments and as others have pointed out, actually do damage to a product. But it is not the fault of the manufacturer or distributor. As consumers, you just have to be patient and wait for demos that are aimed at consumers; as painful as that can be (for me as well). Actually I suppose the real people at fault are the music store owners, and even sometimes manufacturers/distributors who give entrance badges to friends who really should not be there. Those non-industry people distract from what the show is all about by taking up the time of those working the show with personal questions, add to the already heavy crowd, grab giveaways that are meant for the dealer, and upload videos that have no business being seen. Then why the Yamaha LIve Vodeo feed for all to see?
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#313906 - 01/25/11 04:42 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: Dnj]
WDMcM Unregistered	Originally Posted By: Dnj Then why the Yamaha Live Vodeo feed for all to see? I don't know anything about a live video feed from Yamaha during NAMM. However if Yamaha provided a feed like this I'm sure they had full control over the content. I am referring to amateur videos being uploaded to internet sites, not marketing presented by a manufacturer.
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#313907 - 01/25/11 04:45 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: Scottyee]
Scottyee Senior Member Registered: 12/01/99 Posts: 10427 Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...	Originally Posted By: WDMcM This trade show is for merchants of the musical instrument industry. It is not a public event. The complaints some of you have regarding videos shot at NAMM should not be directed at the manufacturer or distributor, but at those folks who make their way into this trade show by some means, shoot lousy videos and then upload them for the public to view. Interesting as I've not read any complaints about the quality of the Namm videos shot of the Yamaha Tyros 4 or the Korg Kronos. In fact, people post here that they enjoyed these a lot. The only complaints are of the ones shot of the Korg Pa3X. hmmm. Originally Posted By: WDMcM This trade show is for merchants of the musical instrument industry. non-industry people distract from what the show is all about by taking up the time of those working the show with personal questions, add to the already heavy crowd, grab giveaways that are meant for the dealer, and upload videos that have no business being seen. If Namm's so strictly limited to the music manufacturers & music merchants only, should Keith Jarrett and Stevie Wonder be kept from attending too?
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#313910 - 01/25/11 04:56 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: ]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: WDMcM Originally Posted By: Dnj Then why the Yamaha Live Vodeo feed for all to see? I don't know anything about a live video feed from Yamaha during NAMM. However if Yamaha provided a feed like this I'm sure they had full control over the content. I am referring to amateur videos being uploaded to internet sites, not marketing presented by a manufacturer. Here you go Dave....regarding the Live feed during NAMM 2011... http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthread..._Sho#Post312250
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#313916 - 01/25/11 05:27 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: Scottyee]
WDMcM Unregistered	Thanks for the link Donny. But that is very different from what I am talking about. Dave
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#313919 - 01/25/11 05:47 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: Scottyee]
WDMcM Unregistered	Originally Posted By: Scottyee Interesting as I've not read any complaints about the quality of the Namm videos shot of the Yamaha Tyros 4 or the Korg Kronos. In fact, people post here that they enjoyed these a lot. The only complaints are of the ones shot of the Korg Pa3X. hmmm. I'm not sure about the Kronos, but you could use the lowest quality video recorder while jumping up and down on a Pogo Stick and shoot a video of a guy playing a melody a half-step sharp of the chords he is playing on a Tyros and there are those around here who would think it was incredible. Originally Posted By: Scottyee If Namm's so strictly limited to the music manufacturers & music merchants only, should Keith Jarrett and Stevie Wonder be kept from attending too? In my opinion, yes, absolutely. Some manufactures hire artists to demo products in their booth or for headline shows after hours. These artists get paid for their services. Personally I see no reason they should be allowed to roam around the show floor. Again, the real and only purpose of NAMM is for musical instrument manufacturers to have the opportunity to sell their products to musical instrument dealers. That's all. Anything or anyone that diminishes that opportunity should not be there. When I first started attending NAMM some 30 years ago while working for a local dealer, I was thrilled to see some of my heroes walking around with everyone else. I was young then. But having worked the other side of the track while demoing and selling for various manufacturers over the years, I have an enlightened view.
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#313923 - 01/25/11 06:07 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: Scottyee]
miden Senior Member Registered: 01/31/06 Posts: 3354 Loc: The World	Actually David I really have to disagree with you here ( and I usually agree with most of what you write ). I am not ticked off at all, I just think you are wrong. The days of NAMM being ONLY for dealers are LONG gone. With sites like Sonic State, Scott and Tapas' excellent videos, Yamahas constant live video streaming.... It is now a public event. Whether you want to admit it or not. "Technically" yes, it is a trade only show, but out here in the real world it is most certainly a public event!! Korg USA knew this, but they still went in with sub-par effort to even display the PA3 in it's best view, let alone assign any decent audio or booth resources. In my view this was a knee-jerk reaction to the strong Yamaha showing, AND so it did not detract from the Kronos launch. But handled correctly, Korg could have totally gazumped the entire NAMM show with their two premier keyboard releases. And it would have provided a perfect launch platform for MusikMesse (the OFFICIAL PA3 release). Instead of generating a positive vibe, KOrg have succeeded very well in dampening most, if not all the possible future interest in the USA, apart form "die-hards" like us on this forum. It was a utter joke and a pathetic attempt, and unfortunately that is EXACTLY how folks in the US (and the rest of the world) are now seeing the PA3. It will take a huge effort at MM, and massive marketing to undo the damage caused at NAMM. Dennis
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#313924 - 01/25/11 06:08 PM Re: Korg Pa3X Demo @ Namm 2011: Malcom Doak (Korg USA) [Re: Scottyee]
124 Senior Member Registered: 01/01/09 Posts: 2195	Hi Dave, My beef is the same as yours, a trade/merchant show makes its way to the public at large via camera phones and You Tube. Short of confiscating every cell phone at the door I don't know how you avoid this situation. Clearly, there needs to be more vigilsnce about who they let in. It's just the way things are now, but, in knowing that, I would have thought that any manufacturer allowing a work-in-progress unit to be displayed would have had serious second thoughts about showing their hand, so to speak. Dodgy decision in my book.
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