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#315688 - 02/07/11 06:15 PM
Re: Interview of President Obama & The Reading Of The
[Re: DanO1]
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#315754 - 02/08/11 08:25 AM
Re: Interview of President Obama & The Reading Of The
[Re: DanO1]
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Whatever happened to those articulate, often brilliant, voices of the Right? Guys like William F. Buckley. We on the Left didn't hate or revile him; rather, we were somewhat jealous of the fact that we had few, if any, spokesmen on the Left that could match his eloquence and intellect. Boy, how times change. Now we have Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Bachmann, Angle. I guess you COULD say that these people ARE articulate....to that segment of the populace freed " from the restraints of education, literacy, science, responsibility, equity, kindness and humility".
Yeah JC, where is Walter Cronkite when you need him?
chas
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#315763 - 02/08/11 08:54 AM
Re: Interview of President Obama & The Reading Of The
[Re: DanO1]
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chas...agree, but where are ANY voices on the Left?
Big Corporations (like Clear Channel) have bought out all the little guys, so there is no longer an equal balance of talk radio here in the USA.(Reagan made sure of that) I live in an area of the Country that has ZERO radio stations broadcasting ANYTHING Left wing. It's 24/7 Right Wing, and many of those shows are pure hate. It is unbelievable that a city like Philadelphia, which btw is a very Progressive Democrat left leaning city, and I can't find one Progressive radio stations. Why? Because Republicans are pro BIG business, Big Business now controls the airways, and thus the GOP has a huge edge in the way our Country 'hears' the 'news'. News? Well that's a whole new topic of what they call "news".
That being said, I do give the Right credit, they were, and continue to more aggressive in getting their message out. Those on the Progressive side let these changes happen, and have no one to blame but themselves. I'm a registered Democrat, but it sickens me that they have this "Thank-You May I Have Another" smack-down they constantly and willingly receive from the Right.
Thank God for the Daily Show. It makes me feel better at the end of a day.
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#315814 - 02/08/11 03:33 PM
Re: Interview of President Obama & The Reading Of The
[Re: DanO1]
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Tony, I will agree with you up to the point that there probably is a slightly 'liberal' bias in most of the mainstream media, including the cable channels. I don't believe, however, that there is the kind of hate-mongering and extremism that we have seen on the Right since the election of President Obama. Have you listened to guys like Micheal Savage recently? Have you listened to the responses of the people who listen to these guys? They are as extreme (and dangerous) as anyone walking the streets of Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, or Afghanistan. What Fox does is give people like Glen Beck a platform with little or no restraints. Their audiences are relatively small but still significant. The people who blow up federal buildings, murder doctors who legally provide abortion services, and show up at presidential political rallies armed with AK47's, come from these ranks. True, this is the lunatic fringe, but look at who they align themselves with.
I don't believe the problem is with fiscal conservatives; I think the problem (the one we all pretend doesn't exist) lies with so-called social conservatives. These are the people who would have us turn the clock back 50 years when ...........well, you know when.
Still, I think this is, or has the potential to be, the greatest country in the world. I base this on it's generosity (which, admittedly sometimes comes with a price), it's ingenuity and creativity in science and technology, it's willingness to 'step up to the plate' (sometimes taking longer than we'd like) on the great moral issues of the day; in other words, when push comes to shove, we can usually depend on the MAJORITY of Americans to 'do the right thing'. Oh, did I mention religious freedom. It ain't perfect but I'd rather be here than anyplace else. I'm sure others feel the same about their respective countries. The image of the 'ugly American' (some of it well deserved) has caused us much grief in recent years, but I truly think we're making progress in learning to respect other countries and other cultures. Of course, some of us are slower to learn than others.
chas
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#315840 - 02/08/11 07:05 PM
Re: Interview of President Obama & The Reading Of The
[Re: Bill in Dayton]
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chas ... I am basically conservative in my thinking, my views, and somewhat in how I live my life ... I do not listen to extremists on either side, and when it comes time to vote, I just try to find individuals who think at least somewhat along the same lines as I do - regardless of party affiliation ... While I do not believe in the TOTAL banning of private ownership of guns, I do believe there should be STRICT laws concerning the purchase of guns and ammo, requiring extensive background checks and time limits for availability ... I also believe that there is NO need for a private citizen to own any automatic weapon, let alone anything like an AK47 ... there should also be strict limits on the type of ammo a private citizen can purchase ... I think you would have to admit to there being more than just a slight bias in mainstream media ... from the newscasts, to the late night comics, anti-conservatism runs rampant ... As for extremists, let's not forget how some people were screaming for Bush to be assassinated when he was in office ... so the loud extremist voices come from those who oppose whomever is in office ... There are some things I feel we are in total agreement on, such as the fact that this IS a great country - otherwise why are there more people trying to get IN than there are trying to get OUT - and that we have the ability to once again be the most respected country in the world ... PLUS, we also agree on JAZZ !!!
Edited by tony mads usa (02/08/11 07:11 PM)
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#315852 - 02/08/11 09:23 PM
Re: Interview of President Obama & The Reading Of The
[Re: DanO1]
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Tony, I like you and we probably agree on more things than we disagree on.....BUT, I have to say.....people lose credibility with me when they try to point to a handful of leftist nutcases and try to pretend that the 24/7 barrage of hate speech (much of it from politicians and PAC's), the LEVEL of disrespect for Obama (and even his wife and children - heretofore unprecedented), the highest level of (presidential) death threats in history, the 100% block voting against every piece of proposed legislation out of the White House, the stated PRIMARY mission (as articulated my Mitch McConnell) of making sure Obama does not get reelected as opposed to doing the work of congress in the service of the people, and so many other things, from the threat of secession to a proposal to mandate arming every citizen in the state, to official pleas to parents to pull their children out of school rather than have them 'exposed' to an address by the president to school children on the value of staying in school. No, I don't believe the rhetoric on the left even begins to approach the vitriol coming from all quadrants of the right. As I said before, I have no problem with reasonable fiscal conservatism, but I have a BIG problem with what now passes for SOCIAL conservatism. I grew up in the 'good ol' days' that social conservatives would have us return to. Those days of unequal pay, unequal education, discrimination, and White privilege. No thanks, I'll pass. Been there, done that. Obviously we see the world through different cultural filters and I realize that what you may remember as the days of innocence, I may well remember as the days of repression and lost opportunity. The word 'Conservatism' has taken on a new meaning in recent years, a meaning that even old time traditional conservatives are uncomfortable with. Getting a little sleepy now so I have to cut this off, but I wish we had an opportunity to sit around a table and discuss these types of issues. I'm sure we could learn a lot from each other's life experiences.
chas
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#315888 - 02/09/11 08:40 AM
Re: Interview of President Obama & The Reading Of The
[Re: DanO1]
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No, actually that was Republican representative Joe Wilson from S.C. However, NO member of the Republican leadership would publicly reprimand or rebuke him for it. Also, it was during an address to the joint session of Congress on the Health Bill. No matter, never in history had there been a precedent for this, and clearly shows the lack of respect not only for the President but for the office of president. This 'act' triggered a massive fund raising effort for Wilson in the weeks following the incident.
Although I was very much opposed to Bush policy, it made my blood boil to hear some of the extreme rhetoric coming from the left and the personal attacks on Bush. Why? Because I believe in the sanctity of 'respect for the OFFICE' and by extension, the person who occupies it. To NOT do so undermines the whole concept of democracy, as the person occupying that office was duly elected by the people. Don't like him, vote his out next election. That's supposed to be 'the American way'.
chas
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