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#316321 - 02/13/11 08:57 AM
Re: Pa3x new video for all Italians
[Re: Bachus]
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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I recently had a chance to demo both a T4 and a T3 for a few hours...
I personally think the upgrade from T3 to T4 in sound quallity (espescially drums and styles) is huge. Its the biggest sttep Yamaha has taken since probably PSR 7000 to PSR 8000. Next to that the SA/SA2 voices are probably the best thing availble for emulating accoustic instruments in any piece of hardware available... But when you just compare tech specs There isn't much difference between T3 and T4.
I agree with you completely, Bachus...I have played both the T3 and T4 side by side, and there is a fairly significant difference in sound quality...I had a Tyros3 here for over a year and got used to the sound...I now have the Tyros4 about 10 days, although I heard the difference almost immediately. The Tyros4 also sounds superb, right out of the box, with no tweaking. And, you're right, looking at the specs, there doesn't appear to be much difference...but, sonically, there is...of course, this is my personal opinion having played both instruments extensively. I also agree it was about the same significant step as it was from the PSR-7000 to PSR-8000...also a good analogy on your part, as the two instruments were so much alike cosmetically, as are Tyros3 and Tyros4. Ian
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#316323 - 02/13/11 09:16 AM
Re: Pa3x new video for all Italians
[Re: ianmcnll]
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Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 3354
Loc: The World
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looking at the specs, there doesn't appear to be much difference...but, sonically, there is...of course, this is my personal opinion having played both instruments extensively. Same for the difference between the Motif XS and XF, on paper, apart from the Flash Ram, not much appeared to different. But sound wise, there is a world of difference. This is what I am now starting to anticipate will be the same with the PA3. Styles, for example, will have the same name, but sound radically different.... Time will tell for sure. Dennis
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#316327 - 02/13/11 09:50 AM
Re: Pa3x new video for all Italians
[Re: miden]
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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looking at the specs, there doesn't appear to be much difference...but, sonically, there is...of course, this is my personal opinion having played both instruments extensively. Same for the difference between the Motif XS and XF, on paper, apart from the Flash Ram, not much appeared to different. But sound wise, there is a world of difference. This is what I am now starting to anticipate will be the same with the PA3. Styles, for example, will have the same name, but sound radically different.... Time will tell for sure. Dennis I hope KORG also builds a nice STYLE Library akin to Yamaha's premium styles ...so you can get high quality styles for all your needs also....conversion don't work too well on Korg units ....the constant searching and converting always put me off with all my Korg arrangers,....it seems right now with all the info we have at our disposal......that the Tyros 4 has it in sound & Korg has it in features...this could change when we finally hear what the Pa3x can do at Musikmesse & beyond, I for one hope the step up the game big time as I Love the Pa3x features for live performance tremendously.
Edited by Dnj (02/13/11 09:51 AM)
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#316351 - 02/13/11 01:51 PM
Re: Pa3x new video for all Italians
[Re: Saswick]
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14245
Loc: NW Florida
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I think that, if you are intimately familiar with a piece of kit, small changes will be more exaggerated than to the less familiar listener. To be honest, as a non-Yamaha user, the differences between the T3 and T4 are FAR subtler, from what I have heard so far (including Yamaha's demos) than Ian perceives.
Now, that is NOT to say they aren't there, just that you need a fair amount of familiarity just to hear them.
I can hear differences between E80 and G70 renditions fairly well. I doubt many non-Roland users could, though. To a Korg user, to a Yamaha user, a Roland is a Roland is a Roland...
To a non-Korg user, I expect the same problems. Differences are subtle. I am reserving my final opinion on this arranger until Korg officially release it, then, being Korg and not Yamaha (!) I would expect maybe two or three years FURTHER refinement as OS upgrades and sound tweaks get released. Korg's don't get released set in stone like Yamaha's do. DNC itself was an update to an arranger that didn't have it. Sure didn't see anything LIKE that from Yamaha.
And Korg's voice editing is down to the sample itself. So, unlike some other arrangers, if the sound doesn't QUITE suit you, at least you have the opportunity to correct it, or load in someone else's edited voice.
Once your sounds and styles are in RAM rather than ROM, a lot of the rules change...
But, for anyone without a Korg right now, just as with every other arranger manufacturer (what WAS the last arranger that was a RADICAL departure from the previous model?), don't be surprised that you can't hear MUCH difference. Few of us can hear it in YOURS, either...
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