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#316476 - 02/14/11 11:17 AM
Re: Bose L1 Compact Review
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Yes, they are great...you notice he/they auditioned a pair of them. I found one Bose not very satisfactory...you need the pair to reproduce stereo pianos, effects like rotary speaker, cross delays etc. I used a pair of the L1 Model I single bass systems for doing concerts...astonishing sound...high price...well worth it, in my opinion... you only should have to buy a PA system once. The powered speakers (Yamaha MS60S) I use for restaurant gigs (and for home as well) are over 20 years old, and work just as good as the day I bought them...the Bose, considering their high quality, should do the same. Arrangers are another matter. Ian
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#316477 - 02/14/11 11:35 AM
Re: Bose L1 Compact Review
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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Hi Leigh, aka sz member:( jazzhooves), many thanks for your review, especially realizing you initially inquired about the Bose L1 on this earlier thread. From your review, I surmise you were utilizing ' two' L1 units for full stereo, not just one. Did you get a chance to test it out with your Tyros 4 going out to only ' one' L1 unit? If so, did you detect any sound degradation (aka: stereo phase cancellation') playing Tyros 4 stereo sampled voices, such as the 'concert grand' piano? As Ian mentioned, though two L1's together in stereo sound awesome, I too don't think a single L1 unit alone to be sound satisfactory with Yamaha keyboard 'stereo sampled' voices.
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#316487 - 02/14/11 12:40 PM
Re: Bose L1 Compact Review
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Registered: 09/11/09
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Loc: United Kingdom
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Hello Guys, Well firstly I'd like to say thank you to Bose UK for loaning the speakers to review, the guys were great!
Now, the speakers - simply put, awesome. The sound is full, big and clear as a bell. You HAVE TO have two speakers. One sounded awful to my ears - they did say a lot of tyros 4 owners use just one, but i'd argue that one. As a pair for £1840 they are just stunning, but expensive. They make the Tyros 4 sound completely different again. Only with the Bose do you realise how false the MS speakers sound.
Bose do one thing and one thing only - great sound, and they really are the dogs. They have offered to loan me a pair of the L1 MK II's with bass unit, but at the moment I have declined as I know what would happen - £5,500 later Id have a pair. The compacts are good, but christ knows that the L1mkII will be just jaw droppingly amazing.
Glad you like the reviews - I am currently reviewing Sample Robot, Awave and will put a report up on the Fantom G6 also. Lots more gear to review, including the KORG PA3X Pro which is supposedly on it's way to me.
Best wishes
Leigh Jazzhooves.com PS. This forum is much better, not the bitching or nasty crap that takes place on Yamaha and other forums.
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#316501 - 02/14/11 03:38 PM
Re: Bose L1 Compact Review
[Re: jazzhooves]
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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. You HAVE TO have two speakers. One sounded awful to my ears - they did say a lot of tyros 4 owners use just one, but i'd argue that one. As a pair for £1840 they are just stunning, but expensive. They make the Tyros 4 sound completely different again. Only with the Bose do you realise how false the MS speakers sound.
The compacts are good, but christ knows that the L1mkII will be just jaw droppingly amazing.
This forum is much better, not the bitching or nasty crap that takes place on Yamaha and other forums.
I totally agree...one speaker simply does not work for me either...I used the L1 Model I system in pairs (stereo) at a theatre/concert gig (on a Tyros3), and the sound was excellent...earlier in the store, I had tried one L1 Model I speaker (and sub) and it didn't sound too hot at all...again, this was using a Tyros3. I also tried the Bose Compacts on the Tyros3 in the store (actually, in the warehouse), both singly and in stereo...again, big difference. impressive in pairs...really awful using only one. The L1 Model II's should be, as you say, "jaw-dropping"...the L1 Model I's were pretty much that way to my ears. Yes, much less bitching here than other forums...this place has actually improved both in the look and also in the way people are interacting, and although, once in a while, it can get a bit dicey Nigel has usually reprimands the culprit(s) early on, and things settle down quite nicely. I'm looking forward to your PA3XPro review; I have a few on-line buddies that are very interested in Korg's next top of the line instrument. Ian
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#316511 - 02/14/11 07:06 PM
Re: Bose L1 Compact Review
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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I agree with Scott, 124...the Korg PA1Xpro is probably fine with mono...Yamaha's stereo samples do not collapse well to mono, in my experience.
I must say, I do appreciate playing in stereo, not just for the better reproduction of stereo samples, but also, as you mention, to have the drums move across the stereo field.
Effects based on stereo also sound better, especially chorus, delay and rotary speaker, to name a few.
With two Bose systems, the stereo sweet spot is huge.
Ian
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#316525 - 02/14/11 11:09 PM
Re: Bose L1 Compact Review
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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I sold both the big L1s, BUT Semilive bought one of them, and I'm certain I can use it whenever I need it, since he borrowed it from me before he bought it! I have another friend that has two L1s, and HankB's wife, Linda, has Hank's Model two rig, so I am in good shape. It's great to have friends! I think next year at this job, I will go bigger. I used the two big Lls, two years ago and they would have handled 600 people and never broke a sweat. DonM
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#316575 - 02/15/11 01:48 PM
Re: Bose L1 Compact Review
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14266
Loc: NW Florida
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It's fairly easy to check whether your arranger collapses well to mono...
Plug into a stereo PA (or home system) using two mono channels of a stereo mixer. Play the stereo sounds with the pans set to wide apart, and listen carefully, then pan them both to 12 o'clock. Do you notice a substantial change in the timbre? Does it get 'pinched' or 'phase-y'?
If so, then there are issues.
You might also notice that reverbs, choruses, and many stereo modulation effects change sound substantially when collapsed. Not too much you can do about this, but if you regularly play on BOTH mono and stereo setups (at different venues, for instance), you might want to doublecheck your Registrations, and perhaps make a duplicate set optimized for mono, which often involves raising reverb levels, and perhaps changing to mono sounds if the internal stereo ones don't collapse gracefully...
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