see what you all think

http://www.youtube.com/user/StrumentiMusicaliTV#p/u/0/SLrRXqUlrwM

its in italian . They have focused heavily on the new SV1 piano and Eps.

The chord recognition is really odd. I dont know if the demonstrator has ever played an arranger before but his timing stinks in terms of smooth transition from one chord to another. What you will be able to tell clearly from the sound which is professionally recorded is that this is non T4 Killer.

The T4 still is the best sounding arranger on the market today.

there was no sign of DNC as far as i could tell which again does not surprise me.

I am no more disapointed than i was from the first demos of the PA3X earlier at Namm. There is nothing new here.

the styles he used are the same as the PA1X but some of the drum kits have been substituted

I can only say this is quite a bold statement.

Your right Adimatis and i hope i dont need to add the words that it is just my opinion because clearly this is just my opinion :-).

If there is a real world instrument on the PA3X that sounds equal to or better than the equivalent on the T4 i would like to hear it.

this demo is pretty disappointing I agree. On the other hand it will provide me with a lot of work , similar to the programming I did for the PA-500!!!!. Seems like many of the preset resources, STS, etc. can and should be improved, nothing new there....

However, it is still jumping to conclusions. In response to a query of mine to German programmer Jurgen Satorius asking in how far the multisamples were different in number compared to the PA-2X, he sent me the following reply:



"...there are 886 multisamples in the PA-3X, many of which consist of several single samples.
No index yet, but fact is that the total of PCM sounds is twice as large as in the PA/2X. So a lof of new stuff there !.......`

greetings,
John Smies

how many of those samples are already in the PA2X ? how many of them were used to make up the SV1 piano and EP sounds. If they have sampled new sounds it is not evident in what we have heard so far. I am not doubting the number of samples but the quality of the sampling and programming.

People such as yourself John and sharp from Korg forums will have a healthy future ahead if korg keep putting out instruments like this that really could sound so much better, should sound so much better with all the instrument already is capable of and yet they just dont sound better than the yamaha.

Very disappointing indeed

Like so many others here, I had very high hopes and excitement about eventually purchasing a Pa3x back in Dec, and was then planning to hold off on a TOTL keyboard upgrade until Namm, when more solid info would be known what it would actually include, especially considering the speculation floating about that the Pa3x woud be a major upgrade from thePa2x. I only opted to upgrade to Tyros 4 sooner because I received an early Christmas check from Santa and couldn't keep it in my pocket, and also realizing back then that the Pa3x probably wouldn't be available in stores till April-May 2011, giving me 5-6 months to test drive the Tyros 4. Fast forward to today, and I'm happy to report that I'm happier with my Tyros 4 than I ever expected, and that my interest now in purchasing a Pa3x, after talking and dicussing about it with friends that saw and played it live at Namm, watching the original uncompresses HD videos they shot, and now watching this latest video here from Italy has me very let down of any hopes that The Pa3x will be any more than a minor upgrade from the Pa2x, similar to what Tyros 3 was compared to Tyros 2, and which was the reason I passed on a Tyros 3, and waited to purchase Tyros 4 instead.

At this point, short of a miracle, I doubt The Pa3x will have much to offer for Pa2x owners other than the Chord Sequencer and a few 'catch up' to Yamaha features such as fill to self. The bigger interest will come from people who don't already own a Korg arranger, and that still 'might' include me.

It is not really the PA3x that disappoint me but the people who demonstrate the PA3X. I really like many of the sounds I hear in this demo and a lot are new sounds. But the guy can't play an arranger so again bad advertising for Korg.

In all honesty,I think the PA3X will have plenty to offer for PA2 owners and others.

Korg has lots of talent, let's don't forget that..and they knew how the T4 was doing before they announced PA3X.

I am only theorizing...but it's educated :-)

The real qustion is this:
Will the PA3X be what I want for my own needs. Will the sounds be good enough? I already know the features are top notch and above all others...(If you need deep features) BUT the sound? The sound will be it for me this time.

So far the demos are terrible, this last one did show some hope.
The problem for me is the kids that are doing these demo's..No one is playing the type of music I like. Completely opposite of T4 demos & songs on Youtube etc. where I can hear many I like.

And no one has done a complete run through of the sounds top to bottem.

And Lee have you noticed how clean the sounds are. Almost no effects and reverb. The piano in the beginning has no effect at all and sound great to me.

I wasn't very impressed with the Trumpet, Sax, Flute, harmonica, vocal, and accordion sounds at all. And I owned a Pa2xpro!

I agree with the others; this gentleman was a great pianist, not so good arranger player.

The more I see the speaker setup, the more I think it looks silly. Does it come with a sub-woofer?

No remorse for buying the T4 here.....

That appears to be the case, Frans...the instrument may have a lot to offer, but it seems very few ( actually, so far none at all, in my opinion), players are actually familiar enough with arrangers to do a good job showcasing it.

I thought the piano sound was excellent, although the rest weren't really much different than the PA2X.

You'd think with an arranger costing that much, Korg would invest in at least one player who could do the demos properly.

I know I'd feel pretty bad if Yamaha had done something similar with Tyros4.

In Korg's case, none of the players even seem enthusiastic about the instrument....watching Yamaha's Martin and Peter, they'd have you believe they felt they were playing the best arranger on the planet...the Korg guys just seem so ho-hum about it. It can't be the instrument, can it?

Ian

I personally think that are two things, from Korg Italy the lack of interest on making a REAL Decent demo, and like Ian said, so far the persons that had demo the PA3X had "0" in enthusiast eagerness in showing it, perhaps not been familiar with it, etc.

I honestly can think on couple people that can make a very nice demo.
Tapas can tell you too.

Lee dont torture yourself anymore and just get the T4 and be done with it. The styles and the sounds in terms of quality and programming are head and shoulders above the competition. If you are not going to utilise the additional features the PA3X has then why pay for them ?

It is true that Korg seem to have little interest in its PA products or they would not be committing the kind of product suicide we are seeing with pretty much every demo from them.

Its not that the PA product is poor , its just that the competition (yamaha) in terms of sound alone is that much better. If i were making a first time pro arranger purchase the Korg would still be close to or at the top of the list of products i would buy taking everything into account , features, playability, sounds, styles prgramming and editing. But i would know that i would have to compromise on the sound. But i already own the PA1X and nothing i have heard so far from the Korg demos has convinced me that upgradeing is value for money. Most of the sounds i already have, most of the features i already have, and the 'new' sounds and new features have not enticed me in the least. If yamaha produced a korg like product they would clean up the arranger market but no doubt at the expense of cannabalising their workstation market .

Thats not going to happen anytime soon. If it aint broke dont fix it i guess.

Sorry guys I dont mean to be a fire starter here but that demo sounds great to me! finally a good clear quality demo!

That piano and acoustic guitar sounds phenomenal!!

So it might not have some of the voice articulations and controls that the T4 has - but when u listen to that music being played and close your eyes - you don't hear a keyboard. You hear and picture a live band playing on stage.

It is a bit disappointing that there is not a big variety of style genres being played but from what I can hear its got the goods to keep up with the competition!!

Its Live, Crisp, punchy, realistic, in your face and polished at the same time. I don't know what people are expecting this thing to sound like? its not "gimmicky". Its just professional and good quality!

Different strokes for different folks - but I prefer this live sound over alot of other things I am hearing.

Just my opinion

Nick

no worries Nick. the bottom line is its all about opinions and most of the adults on this forum can have a difference of opinion and not fall out. No fires have been started here :-)

Compare the sound of the PA2X to the 3X . How is it in any way different apart from the SV1 piaonos and EPs

You are kidding right?

Well, I sorta liked the demo, and am NOT a Korg fan. As others have mentioned, maybe e.q. and reverb is needed on some of the lead voices. I'd like to hear some of the other styles.
I wouldn't give up on it because of this demo.
You can tell the guy is a piano player and doesn't know much about emulating other voices. I would assume he doesn't know that much about the OS either. It probably is better than this, but it's not that bad.
Still wouldn't trade my E50 for it after what I've heard so far though.
DonM

i am obviously not kidding fran. It is just my opinion though .

OK gang....here is the deal. We have not really heard much from the PA3X yet! This demo was lousy just like the rest. Just some guy noodling around in a music shop..not a product demo.
The official sie for Korg arrangers is KorgPA.COM...go there and look...NOTHING! It does not exist...They have not announced it yet. They are the ones that release all the details, demos, updates, manuals, tutorials etc. I'm not sure if they are pissed, embarassed, or just doing thngs on their own schedule?

There is plenty of new great sounds/styles/features. No one has shown us the instrument yet...and yes...DNC with great articulations.
Think about it...how good is ANY of the existing PA2XPRO demo's...NOT! Unless all you want to hear is BEATS.
Korg is not in the same building as Yamaha on Marketing. Also a good number of Korg's customers don't even use the built in content...they do all there own.

I think by the end of April we will hear something better...but, IMHO I do not expect a Martin Harris style/quality demo! Period!

I think for those that like the PA in general this will be a big seller.

It is not a Tyros, It is not a G-70, It is a PA from Korg....all different animals. All very good instruments.

IMHO, If anyone wants to see if they want a PA3X...they are going to have to go set with one for a long while, IF thay are or were a Korg owner they can do it alone, IF they are not they will need someone INTIMATELY familiar with it to understand what it is. Frank V. comes to mind or George?

When one comes near here...I will know in 2 hours if I want it.
I will only be listening to and trying SOUNDS and Styles to a certain extent. I already know the features (well, maybe not a few new ones?).

So then why is Korg allowing all these less than optimum 'amateur quality(?)' demo presentations take place?
Any company in the know would control product marketing and availability for best light exposure, right?
I suspect Korg Japan regards the Korg Italy arranger division as a step child without any regard to it's future.
After the Namm fiasco, I would have expected Korg to have locked all access to the Pa3X until an official professional level Korg Pa3X video presentation was released.
Something just doesn't seem to add up here.

maybe all the places in the world that currently have a PA3x and posting these demos on-line are just part of a BETA testing program??

Scott, I agree...I think something has gone amiss.
I doubt very seriosly that Korg Japan looks at the PA series as a step child...they make tons of money on them. Remember we see a narrow view here...Korg sells more arrangers world wide that anyone. A big part of their market is Mid-East/Asia. Turkey is HUGE for them.
A few dealers seem to have them (look at the last Italy demo), how can Korg take them away?

It is somewhat confusing as..KorgPA.com IS the PA site...nothing is there. I am beginning to wander if some kind of shakeup is happening? Probably not, but things are strange right now.

Just a guess....maybe KorgPA said 'We are not ready to announce' and maybe Korg Japan said we will do it anyways...so KorgPA (Italy) said OK, we are not part of it until we are ready?????

My contact in Italy has, well, gone quiet.
I don't know if he is just quiet, fired or dead (hope not).

One thing for sure...IF it is a killer arranger, all this will not matter in a few monthes.

One other thing...other than those terrible demos at NAAM, I don't think all the others have anything to do with Korg.

Leeboy , the demo i posted would appear to be an official demonstration and not some guy noodling in a shop. He also does a full demonstration of the Korg Kronos. If you look at the clip i posted you will see that there is an audience and you can see display boards for Korg Products .

This is a proper Korg demonstration.

This is what Korg is putting out to sell their product and not some guy messing about although i can easily see and hear why you might draw that conclusion.

I guess if anyone wants to know what the PA products really can do they will have to audition them themselves as Korg is doing everything it can possibly do to discourage anyone from even trying one from these demos.

Put your T4 in the hands of someone that knows nothing about playing arrangers. Let HIM select the styles and the sounds (don't let him use YOUR Registrations!). Record him playing, warts and all. Post the video up here...

Then let us tear it to shreds..!

What is with the ADHD attitude here these days? Until Korg put up OFFICIAL demos, on a proper Website dedicated to the PA3X, just get resigned to the fact that you haven't HEARD the PA3X yet...

I am pretty sure that, if you went out on the web, and tried to find the WORST T4 demos you possibly could find, as long as you ignored the official Yamaha demos and demos of professional Yamaha demonstrators (of which there are none by Korg yet), it would be possible to come to exactly the same conclusion about Yamaha. They suck! Of course, that isn't the case...

How about waiting until you hear a PA3X demonstrated by a top Korg demonstrator or top professional to render your judgment? As they always say - Judge not less YE be judged! By the reckoning of this forum, I can easily prove that every single arranger out there sucks (including whatever YOU have)... Apparently, all it takes is a couple of badly played demos. Who hasn't heard a few of THOSE?!

Just chill, and wait for the OFFICIAL release and demos, OK guys?

I just joined this forum because I'm on the fence between the pa3x and the Tyros4. I don't have either of these in the earlier generation. In fact I have no arranger now at all, just one Roland Fantom X. I think I've read and looked at all the reviews, forums and youtube videos for each. Unfortunately none of my major music stores carry hi end arrangers. So, with the great Tyros information available and so little on the pa3x, and without being able to sit down with each, it's hard to decide. What I don't understand about Korg is: If they can put out an excellent intro video for the Kronos like we have here, then why couldn't they have paid Jordan Rudess to spend one extra day with the pa3x and show off some good stuff. I would respect such a video even if he prefaced it with "I don't play arrangers but if I did ... then I would get this pa3x... and I'll show you why ...... Now that would impress me even if I knew he would never gig with it. But, because Korg kind of threw the pa3x into the water and seems to be letting it sink, I'm really feeling that the Tyros has a company that cares about its arranger. It boggles my mind. And I think the Kronos demo is great and I love the sounds. It's just that right now I want an arranger. So, Korg, just give a day's pay to someone who is cool and knows how to play and let them explore the unit. We all love to try out new stuff. I'm sure they would have fun with it.

Like Diki said Hal2001 the Korg PA3X isn't released official. Wait till april then there will be official KORG demo's from the PA3X international and the Musikant. If you want to know how good the Korg PA2X sound go to http://www.korgpa.com and listen to some demo's there.

Worth,
Well, I guess you could call it official (beause he works for Korg, well maybe not, maybe he just has a shirt?), but I see it as a Korg guy shows up to one of their best stores in Italy, to show the Kornos & a little of the PA3X.

Not really an official product demo for everyone...so far there is none of those.
Thanks for posting it as it is one of the best, but that's not saying much.

Steve McNally gives a very good demo of how the PA3X would be used by real arranger players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xirp4expFvQ&feature=related

Eddie

Steve McNally does no such thing. He is just mucking about with what little he has available in the PA-3X prototype.
I entirely concur with what DIKI and Frans are saying.
Ghee, I am not a very patient person myself but some of you here on the forum are really bad, and very much jumping to conclusions.
Anyway, come April come spring (at least in Europe) and it will show all of us the wiser as far as Korg PA-3X is concerned....

Happy waiting............

John

you have to smile..... An employee for korg Demos a Kronos and a PA3X in front of an audience and provides mic'd running commentary for that audience (unless he just likes talking to himself through a mike ha ha ). The clip is put on the StrumentiMusicaliTV youtube website ( a major retailer of musical equipement from Korg to roland to yamaha as a demo of the Korg PA3X but ....its not a real 'official demo.' Steve Mcnally demos the Korg PA3x at Namm 2011 and talks to a video camera about te features of the PA3X (very poorly i might add)This demonstration is also clearly featured on the Korg USA youtube site and the Korg China youtube website ......and thats not an 'official Korg demo' either appraently . A french korg demonstrator demos the korg at namm 2011 in a room full of people explaining the features (in french noless)..... and thats not an 'official' demo either .

I am happy to wait for an 'official' demonsration of the Korg PA3X but when it arrives you might need to explain to me what makes it 'official' .......

And diki no one is saying the instrument sucks. It would seem you have as usual put 1 + 1 together and made 5. Generally people are disappointed with the demos and that so far the instruments sound does not compare to other similar youtube demonstrations from other manufacturers, whether by amateurs like Telmo , leigh willbraham,petry giles or michael voncken, Mr Baartman or Martin Harris.

I am sure the PA3X is a fine instrument. Just not as good sonically as its competitor.

If you were to listen to the 'official' Pa2x demo click here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6YE99GQwbQ .

Then when you get to hear the 'official ' Pa3X demo use this as a reference for some of the sounds

Yes fran before you say anything....thats just my opinion :-) its a discussion board , no harm done.

Korg not as good sonically as competitor?

The Tyros 4 doesn't sound so good on this video.



I can find many more of these lousy videos of the Tyros 4. Should I?

no mate that was painful :-)

I dont think he was demonstrating the isntrument though. Find me a poor T4 demonstration ..... i can wait

Better yet find me a great Pa3X one ......i can wait even longer :-) !!!

Read Spalding. You have to wait till April. Then Jurgen from Korg germany will release demo's and also korgpa.com.

And I only want to show that also a Yamaha Tyros 4 sound bad if you use a handycam to record the demo.

so all these other demos werent good because they were played in January and March ? April is the magic month ??? i learned something new today :-) thanks Fran

It wasnt the handy cam that made the yamaha demos sound bad but i would not want to embarrass someone not connected with yamaha or the discussion just to prove my point.

April is the musikmesse 2011 tjeez
Who cares if it was a handycam or not. This just show that you can't judge a keyboard on a bad sounding video.

were all the Korg demos on handicam fran by amatures messing about for fun?

I am so

I know why there is nothing on KorgPA OR any decent demos.
I talked to Frank V. today...what a super guy he is...very knowledgable. And a great friend here for a lot of us.

H was told at NAAM that the Hardware for the PA3X was basically done...BUT the software (sounds/styles/performaces/STS's, songbook etc) WAS NOT COMPLETE.

So they just announced it to get it OUT THERE...that would explain a lot.

KORG SHOULD HAVE TOLD US THIS! Yes, I shouted, Sorry.

Isn't that what I told you already on this forum. I know that from the German forum.

No offense Fran...but Koprg should have told us that....lots of people always say stuff...who are they? Who do they know?
Includig me.
My contact at Korg Italy has gone totally quiet, either just quiet, fired or dead (hope not the last 2) :-)

You are right Lee they should.

Tc Harmonizer that recognizes the Audio for harmony is a nice feature also.

Donny,
Make no mistake the PA3X will be one hell of an instrumen.
We just don't know all the sound/style related answers untill it's out.

Donny,
You had a PA800? Can't rmember...do you remember all the features in that OS? The manual for the Pa800/PA2 is onlne at KorgPA.COM..you could read it and then... remember the PA3X will add to that.

Look, guys.... it's simple (really!)

Compare what has 'escaped' into the wild so far from the PA3X to the 'official' PA2X demos.

No comparison (IMO). Now, honestly guys... Does even ONE of you think that Korg will release an arranger that sounds terrible compared to their LAST arranger? REALLY..?

But, as I said (and that T4 clip showed!), ANY arranger can be made to sound awful by a combination of unfamiliarity and incompetence. Plenty of that to go around in the keyboard industry, if you ask me! Yamaha seem to be the only ones that 'get' it. Pretty much ALL the arranger manufacturers MAKE great arrangers. But only Yamaha seem to realize that one incompetent demonstrator can ruin their reputation, or one over-eager sales representative unwilling to insist that pre-release models don't get videoed by amateurs until the official demos are out.

Did you see any pre-release T4 videos by amateur players playing unfinished product? No, you didn't... Yamaha keep a tight rein on their product until it is finalized.

Remember, ALL of Korg's Objects reside in RAM, so what is burned to a ROM in a Yamaha can remain fluid in a Korg, even past the release, if improvements can be made... no such luck with a Yamaha - it makes them more cautious about NOT releasing it until it is ready to go. The combination of this, and amateur videos of unofficial pre-release hands-on opportunities makes fort a VERY poor comparison, despite the product being, obviously, at LEAST as good as a PA2X.

So, guys, cool your jets... If you want to listen to a GOOD PA3X demo, go listen to the PA2X official demos. Pretty much everything in a PA2X will be in the PA3X. Plus a lot more (where is the Chord Sequencer fever we had for a week or so?!). Hate the PA2X? You are going to hate the PA3X, no matter WHAT it adds (those that hate the T3 didn't magically start loving the T4). But if you like those PA2X demos, you are going to LOVE the PA3X.

When it FINALLY gets the same love and attention the PA2X got....

These guys and their overheated jets, Diki...it's quite a situation we must endure. More coolant maybe?

Regarding your statement about those not liking the T3 magically loving the Tyros4...well, in many cases it is true...several SZ'ers, as well as quite a few people on other forums, who didn't quite warm up to the Tyros3's sound, were totally enamored with the Tyros4. Count me as one of them.

Maybe the people who like the PA2X sound will not like the PA3X, if it sounds different...conversely to the situation with Tyros4 and Tyros3.

I do find it strange that no one from SZ has actually played a PA3X...there certainly seems to be quite a few available...at least in Europe.

Ian

It was more a reference to 'hate' than merely being cool to the T4, Ian. I don't really think anyone that was totally against the Yamaha sound being suddenly reversed in their opinion. Those sitting on the fence can be swayed, but it's all TOO obvious that the T4 is simply another incremental improvement... as ALL arrangers tend to be. I doubt anyone hating the PA2X is going to have an epiphany when they hear the PA3X, either!

BTW, your 'edit' of my post in your quote tends to make a point I did NOT make. Leaving out the question "Hate the PA3X?" before the statement "You are going to hate the PA3X, no matter WHAT it adds" changes my intent a LOT...!

Don't forget our own Synthzone Member & Korg dealer buddy, Frank Ventresca (Frankieve) shown here playing it at Namm:
Synthzone member Tapas Das (who shot the below video) also got to play it (a little) as well.
Tapas posted his impressions on this thread.

Scott that hugh speaker I just can get around....why why why???
maybe if it could be rotated toward the audience also it could be very versatile & useful....the fact that it connects to the KB without wires is kool though.

Speaker is an option. Don't like it don't buy it.

I just feel that a lot of R&D money and time was spent on this, when there are other, more pressing needs... Until Korg leverage DNC and their Guitar Mode as well as Yamaha do theirs, what's the POINT of a fancy add-on speaker system..?

And a $600.00 option at that...we all have choices...it's clearly a bad design that blocks the player also IMO.

Agree. I find them also ugly. If I decide to buy the PA3x they can keep the speakers. There are other and cheaper options.

I DID NOT edit your post...I copied the parts as written.

Those familiar with Yamaha did notice a more than incremental change in the Tyros4 from the T3.

Those not familiar with Yamaha did not.

Simple eh?

Ian

Thanks Scott...his review seemed so incomplete, I forgot about it.

Of course, we all know that the PA3X will magically sound as expected in the near future.

Ian

Sorry, Ian, but there's quite a difference between and

You neglected that phrase, and didn't even put in some '.....' to show you HAD skipped a sentence. Don't want to get into a war about it, but when you quote someone, you have to at least TRY to not put a different meaning into their words... Probably just a slip up, but I consider the two sentences QUITE different...

Well, Diki, it wasn't an intentional thing on my part...I just clipped out what I considered pertinent.

Ian

We don't all have the same needs...That speaker bar would not block anything here...it would be against the wall.
But, Since I have $1200 worth of Mackie near fields, I would not buy it anyways.

One thing that is finally clear we will not know all that much about what they did with DNC, and the sounds in general on the PA3X until we actually have a finished product and can play it outselves.

I do expect it to be outstanding...but that does not mean it will be what I want.

This was a much much better demo than most of the other ones in my opinion. I could immediately tell the Drums are top notch and much better than the T4's, for example. The last Organ he played was wonderful and the other ones were good too. Although the demonstrator wasn't really proficient in arranger mode and because of it it kind of detracted from the overall presentation if you ask me.

I don't know what a lot of you guys are listening to this presentation on but I'm thinking a lot of you are listening to it on cheapo Laptop speakers or perhaps some rinky dink desktop speakers from Radio Shack, etc. On my system you can hear the "excellent" quality and nuance that the PA3x exhibits. The first Grand Piano did sound very "korgish" but it was overall pretty good. Better than the T4's hands down in my opinion. The AC Grand he played toward the end was even better and had more of a "concert grand" sound to it and it was excellent in my opinion. The Guitars were "stunning" even though in arranger mode the guy was prone to glitches and was cause for distraction for his audience. I also thought the Sax(s) were very good as was the Harmonica as was the Clarinet as was the EP's as was - everything else he played in my humble opinion.

I did notice when he had his fingers pressed on the keys and then with his other hand switched to other sounds using the touchscreen LCD that there was a notorious "cut-off" of the existing (previous) sound which is cause for concern. There should have been technology integrated into the PA3x to allow "seamless" switching such as I have on my Roland Fantom G7. Maybe the PA3x has such technology but the guy didn't have it enabled?? Any Korg affiliated person on this forum is welcome to respond by the way. But if the PA3x indeed does NOT have "seamless" switching it could be a deal breaker for some. Especially at the thought of forking over $4,000 + for a PA3x. My Fantom G7 (76 key) has "seamless" switching technology for about 'half' the cost of a PA3x (76 key). How do you like them apples? Korg should address this issue on the PA3x too, needless to say.

Anyway, I really thought this latest demo provided a lot better 'glimpse' into the sound capability of the PA3x but hopefully Korg USA will get off their proverbial 'back side' and put up some factory produced demos online for people to listen to and/or videos to watch and then hopefully lay to rest, once and for all, these "sound" quality questions still floating around the internet - and on this forum. Although 1/2 or more of all the naysayer questions still lingering in people's minds could be because of listening to this and other PA3x demos on either cheapo Laptop or rinky dink desktop speakers perhaps?? Just sayin'..

PS: There are PA3x demos out there that are definitely lackluster but I think the problem mostly lies with the way they were mic'd and/or video'd and/or recorded. In other words, not the PA3x's fault per se, but rather Korg's lackluster 'effort' they put into making sure the demos were of professional (studio) quality. This latest demo seems to prove that very point in my opinion. Although, in the future Korg might want to consider a different demonstrator with "better" arranger mode playing proficiency perhaps.

All the best,
Mike

Fantom G7..??? That's not an arranger last time I looked.
If I wanted a new WS, I would get a Kurzweil PC3K88

I already have a K2500, so maybe that is skewing things, but at the moment, the MoXF (with the Karma software) or the Kronos both have my juices flowing (unfortunately, my bank account isn't as liquid as my salivary glands!), the Kurzweil, not so much...

Add a BK-7m to any of our choices, and you have pretty much the 'do anything' keyboard, though.

I must confess, already having a good Roland product, that the FantomG's kind of underwhelmed me. Pretty good for hiphop, but less impressive on real sounds. Worst organs I ever heard, too! But if you have an arranger by another brand, then maybe good for getting that Roland 'flava'...

I think the ideal is to have one of EACH... I have a Korg, a Kurzweil, a Roland, an Ensoniq, still waiting on getting a Yamaha (but as soon as I can afford one...). That way, you use each one's strengths, and never its' weaknesses. To be honest, three different brand BOTL or MOTL keyboards usually comes out FAR better than just one TOTL WS.

While I totally agree with that there is no way I want to have to haul around 3 keyboards to do it live. I will settle for less by picking the best of the bunch but only having to use one keyboard. In a studio situation I would definately go with your suggestion.

Completely agree...