Besides sounds and styles What would they be?
I would choose
1. Live drums
2. Vocal harmony 2
3. Upper 3

Chord sequencer.

Sliders similar to Tyros3/4.

USB port in front.

1 - FSX keybed from Tyros / Motif
2 - Pitch and Mod Wheels from Tyros / Motif
3 - Layer 3 voices on the right hand

thats 3 - can I have 3 more??

4 - Assignable switch buttons
5 - The SAME drum kits that are on the T4
6 - get rid of the rubber buttons (bring back the PSR2100 type buttons)

I could go on

Nick

Do all the above and keep the price the same, or very near the same.

Fsx keyboard would certainly satisfy
A lot of you... To Have the t4 drum kits would be
Fantastic

1.Maybe a korg style modulation/pitchblend joystick.
2. Assignable switches and
3. Waterfall or Fsx keyboard.

SA voices in styles.
FSX keyboard
A 76 version
T4 drums

Oh, and yes to the Chord Sequencer..! HELL YEAH to the CS..!

I guess you all mean the S930 ....because the S920 is already a done deal just waiting to be released very soon with a few hand me downs from the T4 with just enough tease to make the MOTL buyers happy .....all these wish list things?...if they ain't in the T4 they wont be in the S930 or whatever they're calling it..either way the new S series should tip the scales very close to $2000.00 US

I heard a rumor about a chord sequencer...just a rumor....I'm not counting on it. Maybe with the T5?

The SA voices in styles and the VH-2 Vocal Harmony are far more likely than the FSX keybed, joysticks, 76 keys, assignable switches, or 3rd voice in Right Hand.

The Tyros4 type Real Drums/Real Brushes are a possibility...again, just a guess on my part.

The S-series always has something "new" that isn't on the current Tyros...that's why I was thinking the chord sequencer rumor might have some legs.

Ian

I'm betting Yamaha may slip in a couple of new features on the S920 that Tyros 4 doesn't have now.

Chord sequencer
MusicFinder: link to Reg Files

Ok, your guess is as good as mine,
but these look to be relatively easy software OS update add ons that can also be implemented on Tyros 4.

Well Ian we'll see in September, if Yamaha follows suit as they did with the release of the S910 in September 2009.

The reason I mentioned chord sequencer was that the "new" thing on the S-series not on the current Tyros was always something fairly significant.

With Korg having a Chord Sequencer on the new PA, it wouldn't be a far reach for Yamaha to follow suit with it on the S-9**...sort of a test to see if it may wind up on the Tyros5.

September, you say, Donny?

It will feel like a long wait for some.

Ian

If they put in the link to registrations files....I hope a OS upgrade to T4 adds that as well.
In addition, I wish they would add Registration buttons below the keybed (alla...Electone and others)it's a great place for them.

CS Hell yes! (Ooops I think Diki already said that)

User voices that can send MIDI Bank/pgm change

THird upper would be great..buit I doubt they do that..
Got to have a reaon to get a T4!!

You mean you still havent decided that the T4 is for you after all these videos Scot posted?.....
Are you intending to go demo one somewhere asap also? What is holding you back at this time?

I think the new S-series will look remarkably like the old one...and yes Lee, that 3rd voice would be an exclusive Tyros feature...it's not even on the high end CVP Clavinova.

For some reason, I think the addition of the chord sequencer would be so logical...first, it's not a significantly costly thing, and, secondly, since the S-series is meant for younger buyers (under 90-around Diki's age) who would find such a feature smacking of coolness; it also would rob some of the "exclusiveness" of Korg's PA being the only arranger to have it...plus, it would be on an arranger that was a lot less money.

I really hope something like this happens...and, it follows what I said earlier about competition...it always improves the breed, and benefits us players.

Ian

Ian just take out $2000.00 worth of T4 features and you have a new S series unit..

just regarding the 3 upper voice thing - I was very surprised yet Impressed to discover that the Korg PA50SD has 3 upper voices...

and it costs half the price of the PSR S910...

why must a Yamaha fan pay Tyros 4 price to get 3 upper voices? its not breakthrough technology

3 Wishes for the next TOTL PSR !

That`s easy :

1) FSX Key-Bed
2) Front mounted USB port
3) Plastic Buttons

Just a chord sequencer would do me. I would then even be tempted to wean myself off 76 keys

Dennis

1. semi weighted keys
2. touch screen
3. Motif XF sound engine
4. cheaper

I know these are 4 points. I have more but these are the most important for me.

It is so weird. Long before the PA3X is out, long before we find out that the CS is a popular feature for its users, NOW we get all these people thinking that Yamaha, maybe Ketron, they are all going to jump on the CS bandwagon.

Where were all these people when the Roland's actually had the feature? Why wasn't the bandwagon jumped on THEN? What has suddenly made the CS a 'must have' feature when for years, even the majority of Roland players, let alone any other manufacturer's players completely ignored it?

I have been preaching the CS Gospel for five years or more, mostly baying at the moon by myself, and now, out of the blue, it's on everyone's list?

Oh, couple more wishes for the S920.

Do away with the User Memory. Make USB memory and Internal functionally identical. Roland managed it, and they seem to be the flava of the month for features..!

Oh, and while we are copying Roland, how about a totally recessed USB stick slot? No more delicate slots to damage because someone bumped against your stick while sticking out just BEGGING for it. Check out the GW-8. Perfect protection...

Well, I'm grateful that you kept up the "baying"...and, if the chord sequencer arrives on a PSR-series, then all Yamaha players should send you their thanks.

It just seems "logical" (for lack of a better word) that if Korg is going to implement such an inexpensive feature on their TOTL arranger, it could happen that it will end up on a PSR...again, competition being the motivator.

I've been recommending it to Yamaha ever since your first "bay" here on SZ.

Maybe it will be a howling success...

1. Some buttons that were on the PSR-740 (a MOTL arranger from 11-12 years ago) like TALK ON/OFF, VOCAL HARMONY ON/OFF, VOCAL EFFECT ON/OFF.

2. The real drums.

3. A few of the T4 choir voices.

4. The new harmonizer

5. More dsps

I think we can assume that it will have most if not all of the T3 voices. I wouldn't be surprised if it had simm slots for Premium voices.

This is fun.

I would encourage you to direct any industry insiders to the Roland-arranger.com site's 'Suggest new features' forum if they are thinking seriously about the CS, Ian...

I don't have time or room to list them here, but I wrote a couple of articles about ways that the CS could be made even BETTER than Roland's original implementation, and if they are starting from scratch, might as well try to incorporate a few...

God, what I'd give for a 76 PSR with a Chord Sequencer!

I'm sure you must realize that Roland arranger forum has been looked at by Yamaha and Korg people.

I honestly can't see a 76-note PSR...I think a chord sequencer would be a possibility.

I've suggested both to Yamaha nearly as many times as you've bayed about them here on SZ.

Ian

Well, if they are JUST thinking about a CS after Korg put one in, they might have forgotten about those articles. I wrote them quite some time ago...

Doesn't hurt to tell them, if you have any swing!

I have very little influence over what gets done at Yamaha, but, consider that if the chord sequencer is in the next S-series...it's already a done deal.

Nevertheless, I will pass on the info.

Ian

It's not due until October, right? They going to sit on their asses until then?

I would have thought all KINDS of things can get added at late stages, especially as OS's are not in ROM any more, but can be updated at will.

Hey, maybe Yamaha could break with tradition, and add the CS as an update to the T4? It's only software (run it from the screen)...

But naaaah! That would be too much like Korg or Roland, wouldn't it..? And we wouldn't want to copy those flops, would we?

Oh, hold on! That's what they WOULD be doing, if they got a CS!

Yikes!

I'm curious about the chord sequencer that many desire.

How you would use it, other than to fine tune chords in a recording?

That said even if that's all the chord sequencer would do, that would be enough for me, so I'd want that too.

...and back to the retro black color to distinguish the new S9 from the others.

I don't know what their plans are, Diki....I can only speak for me, and I'll be busy doing clinics and seminars.

I suppose they are now working on the Tyros5...I don't know much about the new PSR-"S" series, other than what I've said already, and that is mainly a bunch of guesses.

Ian



Ian

It's a REALTIME process, nothing like a 'Chord Track' that some other arrangers have/had.

Basically, play the intro, hit the CS Record button, and play the head. Then hit the CS Play button, and ONLY the NTA ( the notes to arranger) get sent to the arranger (or fills and Vars if you want, but it's better if you don't, IMO) and the arranger plays those chords around and around for you, until you hit CS Stop, which doesn't stop the arranger, just the chord input, and you go back to playing. Maybe a bridge, or a vamp, or whatever, then hit CS Play again, and you are back in the head, or hit CS Record again, and do another section to repeat.

As the chords get played, you are free to do anything the arranger can do. Change Vars, play fills. Do Break/Fills, change styles, even.

In the meantime, while it is playing, BOTH your hands are free to do whatever you want.

It's a game changer, live...

And yes, you COULD save the Chord Sequence, and recall it later, but unless someone follows my advice and adds some more features, it wasn't that great, because you couldn't edit it. Make a flub, and you have to record the entire head again. Chord Tracks are a better tool for offline composing, unless your chops are up there. Mind you, nothing to stop you recording the CS at a much slowed down tempo, and getting it spot on, then speeding up later...

Wow Thanks

76 key PSR with a chord sequencer co-designed by Dikki sounds very interesting, especially if they add your edit feature.

For me, the whole 76 and a CS thing falls very naturally into how many pianist/singers accompany themselves. Put the arranger into Pianostyle Mode, with Bass Inv (ON Bass) on, play a little intro, then hit the CS. You now accompany yourself singing the first verse and chorus (or head, whatever), and the Pianostyle tracks your comping AND whatever inversions and slash chords you want. So, you now have your backing.

Now, you hit the CS Play, change setups to maybe more a pad/lead sound and solo your little brain out, go back to the Pianostyle setup, do a bridge in realtime, then hit CS Play again, and now go to a setup with maybe some horns in. Sing another verse, play the horns around it. Still no need to tie up anything playing the chords, so those horn voicings can be MUCH wider and accurate.

And so on, and so forth...

It's basically like being in arranger mode, then going seamlessly to an SMF, then seamlessly back to arranger, and back again, except the SMF's don't need setting up in advance, and you can vary them on the fly, depending on your mood or the audiences.

Revolutionary hardly begins to describe it..!

Donny,
Well, I really need to wait to play the PA3X before deciding...otherwise...well, I might be wishing I had.
Oh...one other large item, my PA2XPRO is not sold yet (some bites)

Do you have the Pa2x up for sale yet? Hopefully you won't take a beating on a late sale when the Pa3x is released.

Larry, you use it in live play. You hit Record, then you play, for example, two verses and a chorus, hit Stop. Then any time you need that sequence it is there. You can immediately hit Start and then use both hands to play along with it. It loops until you stop it.
It was a great feature on G800, G1000.
DonM

T4 drums, chord sequencer,
Usb in front, upper 3, fsx
Keyboard, VH2, assignable
Switches, T4 sliders,...
That's what they want in
Your next s series Yamaha

I'd really like to see more on/off control for the harmonizer. I think I could make a go of the harmonizer if I could more easily switch from harmony to no harmony in the keyboard. It would also be nice to have two or three preset buttons there.

An upper 3 would be helpful as would a lower two.

the more you wish for the MORE it will cost.

How much more does the PSR cost with MP3 playback that the old PSR without MP3 playback?

How much more does the PSR with SA voices cost than the old PSR without them?

C'mon, Donny... You've actually GOT one!

I would say that the S series units will be around $1999.00...... not much more then the S910....but never the less there will be an increase in price as always.
Most of these wishes are not MY wishes.....the new Korg & Ketron pretty much have more feature wise of what I would use except the sound Yamaha has....sooooo unless your going to use all three of them on stage your pretty much left with what you have & some workarounds. The future will bring the answerers one way or another.......let's just wait and see. I just feel bad for the people that make the leap in haste and get screwed a year later when someting better for them is released.

I was reading the forums on yamaha pk
Owner and I am suprised to see a few people
Saying that they returned their tyros 3
Because it didn't sound as sweet as the
Psr s900/910 keyboards in sound and style.
Do u think the next s series will retain
This sweetness

Thanks Don, never knew much about a chord sequencer, and I can now see how it would be a nice feature, but for me, not a deal breaker. Sounds kind of like a glorified Pad.

It's a pad, but you don't have to set it up in advance. Arranger playing is ALL about spontaneity, otherwise you get better results with an SMF (and Mark/Jump). So, if you are the kind of player that DOES like to change up your chords each night, something like this makes each night as different as you want it to be, AND frees up your LH for things it could do better than slavishly repeating chord input.

Primarily, it is a feature for someone with a strong LH, that could be doing something else productively, or full pianists that realize Pianostyle Mode STILL does not quite follow REAL piano playing all THAT well (you have to make some adjustment to not trigger chords doing passing notes, etc.), or players of other, secondary instruments, or when you need to utilize the bender FULLY (rather than when your LH can spare it, which is generally NOT when you want to bend)...

It's definitely one of those things that, if you've never used one, you might not think too much of it, but once you HAVE, it's like losing an arm. With a chord sequencer, you can definitely think of yourself as a three handed arranger player!

Roland-style simplified chord recognition, a.k.a."Chord Intelligence"
...and then I woke up!