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#320495 - 03/30/11 07:21 AM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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Registered: 06/28/01
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Loc: Lehigh Valley, Pa.
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Gary, Nice job, you keep on proving you don't need the latest to be the greatest. Live playing and using every chord as written while singing, is way too difficult, for me, so I cheat whenever I can. Yes I'm lazy, but as Ian stated: "Most importantly, although Gary's chords weren't quite the same as the original, he didn't mess with the melody, and that came off really nice." I am making a commitment to learn those really difficult chords, like learning a new chord a day...or maybe every other day, or once a week...  Bill, I hardly ever use full keyboard, and when I do, I never noticed the bass root. I'll have to give a better listen, so thanks for that tip.
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#320496 - 03/30/11 08:24 AM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Try transposing the Wikafonia version down to "C" and you'll find the difference in chord structure is not as significant. I don't play the song in the original chords because it's way out of my vocal range. Keep in mind that Billy Joel has a relatively high, squeaky sounding voice--I don't want to sound like him. Like I said earlier, I cannot remember exactly what site I downloaded the song from, and I know it was transposed to "C." I just tried playing and singing the song from the Wikafonia page that Bill posted, and it was WAY OUT of MY vocal range. When I transposed the page to "C" it sounded nearly identical to the one I posted. I, personally, would like to hear some of the other folks here post their versions of the song in the same manner--while playing and singing, you know, a one-shot deal. Like I've said many, many times on the Zone, I've learned a lot here--stuff like this helps us all learn even more. So, Bill, Diki, UD, etc.., fire up those Zoom recorders and post the results. I, for one, would love to hear your versions of Just The Way You Are. Gary 
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#320557 - 03/31/11 10:33 AM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14346
Loc: NW Florida
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A good exercise when learning new chords is to play them, after you have learned them in root position, in the other inversions, too. So, for a C chord, play CEG first, then play EGC, then GCE. Without the On Bass feature on, they will all sound the same. But with it on, they will all sound subtly different. This will not only help you when it comes to slash chords and inversions, but with on bass off, it helps stop you from jumping your LH around so much, as a G major to a C major can be played GBD, then GCE... Your hand doesn't move, and only two fingers do, too! Mind you, I like Donny's approach, too. It doesn't matter how messed up you get the chords - it's not WRONG, it's just 'making it your own'! 
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#320573 - 03/31/11 01:05 PM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: Diki]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Thanks Diki--I'll give that a try the next time I get some free time. In this instance, though, I accessed the correct chord structure, then used the sites transpose feature to transpose the chord structure to "C", which is my playing comfort zone. So, the progression was essentially identical, just a shift in the chords used--at least that's the way it looked and sounded to me. I've never been good with inversions, but I'm always learning, so maybe one day they're become second nature. Thanks everyone, Gary 
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#320578 - 03/31/11 02:38 PM
Re: Tyros 2 styles needed
[Re: montunoman]
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Senior Member
Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 2207
Loc: Dayton, OH USA
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A lot has to do with approach.
To me, I try and stay away from this particular tune, unless its a request. The tune is so iconic, same with the solo, that I feel uncomfortable playing it. The opening riff is such a unique one, that to leave it out and still call it "Just the Way You Are" to me, is like a restaurant selling a Rueben sandwich without the corned beef. The 6th's in the Gm and Bm chords Joel uses colors the tune in a special way and to not play them also really stood out to me.
You leave the opening riff out, you leave the coloring out, etc...pretty soon, its not the same tune anymore. Forgive me Gary, but it sounded like an easy note version.
No offense meant, whatsoever...
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