Not on the German forum Ian. I hear a lot of positive things there. And yes about the video's you are right.

So, how do you feel about it Frans? Can you hear a big difference in the PA3Xpro and the PA2Xpro from the demos that have been posted?

Ian

So the Kronos and the MOX are in the same price category?

Ian

Actually yes. I have hear some new sounds for example the acoustic and electric piano's, guitars, a great sounding new harmonica, new clarinet and a few others.

If you listen to a Yamaha Tyros 2 and a Tyros 4 I hear a Yamaha. Yes there are a few differences but you can hear it is a Yamaha. Same is with Korg. Same is with roland. Same is with Ketron. So ofcourse the PA3x will sound like a PA2x only better.

lol spot on Ian - they are about 3k apart from each other!

You can buy 3 MOX 6's for 1 Kronos.

I don't even know why we are having this conversation hahaha

You miss the point Nick. I am not comparing the cheap MOX with the Kronos. I say its the only new synth of Yamaha on Musicmesse and again based on the 20+ sound engine AWM2.

I compared the Motif XS (only 1 sound engine) with the Kronos (9 sound engines) And the winner is?

Actually, you are correct...I find the Tyros2 and Tyros4 have the same overall sound. The Tyros3 sounded quite a bit different to me (and many other Yamaha players).

However, the Tyros4 has a lot more features, and many more new sounds (including SA2-which are not on the Tyros2) when compared to the earlier instruments. Plus, it has a faster processor than T2 and T3.

Hopefully the PA2Xpro to PA3Xpro will prove to be as substantial an upgrade as the Tyros3 to Tyros4.

More demos will tell the tale soon enough...let's just hope they are more professionally done, and they feature more new DNC voices.

Ian

Finally we agree I hope also for better video's. Like I said before their marketing sucks. Yamaha does it right and I respect that. That is the way you sell your products.

Ian, I can also keep repeating the same tired cliche that the T4 sounds little different to the T3 (or T2). Doesn't make it so, does it?

You have said you have hardly spent any time with a PA2X, have NEVER played a PA3X, and here you are spouting the same thing that you would criticize me for saying... Why not just wait for the dust to settle, wait for the official demos to come out, and then bless us with your judgment once you have something solid to base it on?

If all you had to judge the T4 on was people mostly playing T3 sounds and styles on poor web demos, how tolerant would you be of people saying that, 'well, if these guys haven't played many new sounds or styles, I guess there aren't many in there'..?

You know perfectly well that Yamaha are not going to release a new arranger without a significant number of new styles and new sounds. And, if you could just FOR ONCE step back a bit from your Yamaha evangelism, you might be honest enough to admit that every OTHER arranger manufacturer is going to do the same. Just because we haven't heard them, doesn't mean they aren't in there...

regarding the PA sound set , so far all we can do is cloud watch because the evidence is severly lacking cuz Korg either are not able or dont want to demo the instrument well.