Hello everyone----I could use some suggestions please . I recently purchased a hammond organ sound module and controller to connect to my KN7000 via midi cable . So far after umteen tries I am still on square one and nothing to show for my efforts . It almost seems as though the KN7000 is the slave and the sound module is the master . All connections have been carefully followed as outlined in the module's owners manual . I have been successful in connecting to my home organ and all worked just fine , so I have been following directions faithfully . But I must be missing something on the KN7000 . Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated . Dick Bergin

I would say that if you want the KN7 to be the master, then a connection from MIDI IN on the KN7 to MIDI OUT on the Hammond should be what you want.
Switch of both instruments. Connect the cables. and then switch the instruments back on.
Make sure that the Midi IN on the KNis not set to base pedal function.

Regards
Peter B

I think you have that the wrong way round Peter For the KN7000 to be Master, then it has to SEND MIDI signals TO the Hammond via the KN7000 MIDI OUT..........

I haven't worked with midi for about 15 years. But, this is what I remember.

Master and slave refers to the clock source. If you want the sound module to create sounds using the KN7000 as the "note" source, you need to do as Bill says by connecting the midi out of the KN7000 to midi in of the sound module. You need to decide what notes of the KN7000 you want to use to make the sound module "sound". Then set that note source (probably Right Hand) to the midi channel that you choose to use. Then be sure the Hammond is set to receive on that same channel. I would use the KN7000 as the clock source so it would be considered the master.

What you do with the output of the sound module is a matter of choice. I assume the output is audio, not midi. So the audio out of the module would go to your amplifier input. That could be the aux input of the KN7000.

Hi Bill.
I thought after I had posted that I may have it the wrong way round as I haven't anything to check it with now.
It is a while since I did anything with Midi except with my 13 note pedalboard with the KN7000.

regards
Peter B

Sit down for about 10 minuites or so and have a read of this http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_get_started_with_midi.html you should then be able to set up your equipment to do what you want.
Hope this helps

Bill

Thank you---Peter ,Bill ,Bob , and Abacus for taking the time to give help on my problem . So far nothing has worked . Seems I have tried every combination possible and possible not sending and or receiving , but can still play the demo tunes thru the kn amplifier . Likely I shall have to have the keyboard checked by a repair shop . Thanks again---Dick Bergin

Dick, what is the model number of the Hammond module that you are using? Will look up the manual to see if I can help. It should be a rather simple setup. Page 190 of your KN7000 manual tells you how to set up midi channels so that you select the appropriate notes to send to the sound module.

Also tell me what notes you want to send to the Hammond module. I assume you would want your right hand notes to cause the Hammond sounds, but not sure.

You have discussed Midi in and out and Bill was correct. BUT What about the send and receiving channels. If the send-set for the Kn is not the same number channel as the instrument (the slave/revieving) nothing can happen.

Years back I did a bit of work with midi and it took a lot of learning/work. When you learn how much data can control it is amazing. I used a Yamaha keyboard and three sound modules.
When I bought my Kn2000 I used two modules working with volume foot pedals controlling for each one. The modules were set on channels to match the Kn channels. Just as you can set the Tech-chord on a Kn to a third sound by using midi channel five – Right 1, and right 2 and channel 5 for the Tech-chord.

For example the controller was able to activate strings and organ or vocal in the Kn7, the volumes and channel was set and memorized in Panel memory. Two hands working with two sets of 61 keys it sounded great. In fact it was so good I sold everything but the keyboard. My reason; There is much in a Kn keyboard, especially the Kn7, that I have found different ways to make a song sound great with far less work and far more enjoyable.

For me – I accept working with Midi for enjoyment and experimenting, but not when I am working.

If you are using a pedal board triggering a Kn keyboard midi is a must. Set it to one channel and make sure that it is saved in all your panel memories and SD card or a floppy.
Organs have always been my favorite so I have added a 88 note controller set to channel FIVE which triggers channel FIVE on the Kn7. A controller can send more than one channel so it possible to trigger two Kn instruments, but the controller must be set to a split mode.
Wow, too many words, sorry, John C.

Dick, if you have not already done so, look at page 194 of your KN7000 manual for Midi Presets. Go to page 2 of the Midi Presets display and choose Sound Module. Click OK. That will set up the KN7000 as the master with Right 1 set for midi channel 1, Right 2 to midi channel 2 and Left to midi channel 3. That's all you should have to do at the KN7000.

I will need to see the manual for the Hammond sound module to see what you need to do there. It needs to be set up to receive on midi channel 1 if you want it to play the Right 1 notes. It also needs to be set for an external clock.

You already have the audio out of the Hammond connected OK because you can hear the demos.

Hi Dick,

Got the manuals OK. I believe I now know what is going on.

The XMc-2 controller and XM-2 sound module appear to be designed to work with dumb midi controller keyboards that only send on one channel. They are not capable of distinguishing data coming over different channels. That means that the many channels being sent by the KN7000 are confusing the Hammond gear and we need to make the KN7000 act like a dumb midi controller keyboard.

This is what I would do:

CABLES: Connect the KN7000 midi OUT to the XMc-2 controller midi IN. Connect the special HMC-1 cable between the XMc-2 controller and the XM-2 sound module.

KN7000: At the KN7000 press Program Menus – Midi – Midi Presets (Page 194 of the KN7000 manual). At the Midi Presets display, go to page 2 and select Sound Module and click OK. That sets up the KN7000 as the master with Right Hand 1 notes being sent out midi channel 1. Other stuff is sent on other channels. That may confuse the XMc-2 controller. So I believe all the other channels need to be turned off.

Exit to the Program Menus Midi display and select Part Setting (Page 190 of your KN7000 manual). That display shows all the various Parts and the midi channel assigned to each part. At the Channel column, set all the Parts to OFF except RIGHT 1, which should show as being set to channel 1. Be sure to scroll down the PART column to set all parts to off except Right 1.

If you use KN7000 Panel Memories to change rhythm and voicing as most of us do, be sure that the Expanded Mode filter is set to off for midi settings.

I believe that should solve your problem. At least that’s my best guess. It’s hard to work without having the hardware here.

Dick, I guess I should have said that if the above works, be sure to save the midi setup in one of the user settings so you don't have to keep doing all that work over and over again. See the top of page 195 of your manual.

The XMc-2 controller and XM-2 sound module are designed to work with two upper sets of keys and a pedal board. So when you connect it to your organ it works fine.
Midi is sent to the controller – the controller sends midi to the sound module.

I do not own tis unit so this is “Guess work”.
If the controller is receiving three different midi singles, Upper keys, Lower keys, and the pedal board and sending them to the sound module that means it is receiving on three different channels. The organ is sending three different sets of data on one midi channel to the two units, and as you say it works.
Then your job is to find how your organ is doing this. If I remember correctly you can send more than one midi single through a single channel; meaning that you can send 16 midi channels through the send midi channel one. (Possibly more)

This next step is difficult without having the unit.

If you have determined that the organ is using Channel one and sending three different midi singles on that channel – Then you must select the same channels on your Kn7 keyboard and send them out on channel one. Midi out to the units.

I think of midi very much like a garden hose, or better still an electric wire. The water starts somewhere and it must end up somewhere. I can water three bushes in different places with one water hose by use a water controller.

This unit does not seem to work like the modules that we are familiar with. It was designed for a single purpose.

John C
If I remember correctly Bernie owns one of these units, he may be the man.

You are mostly right, John. If you bypass the controller and go directly to the sound module you can send upper, lower, and pedal data to the sound module on channels 1, 2, and 3. Dick has not been able to make that work. He wants to use the controller. I can't find any place in the controller manual to set channels. And, the thing says it can receive midi data from a keyboard regardless of the channel used (with no channel setting at the module). Which implies to me that it is insensitive to midi channels and would be confused by multiple channel data being received. The sample setups show use of one or two single channel midi keyboards. When two keyboards are used each sends midi data over it's own cable, one going to the controller and the other going to the sound module.

I think the best thing to do is to try to get a single channel working and build from there.

I got new symptom info from Dick in an email a few minutes ago that sheds more light. Will continue to work with him by email.

Meanwhile, would be great to hear from Bernie (or anyone else) if he does in fact have one of the Hammond units, and has used it with a KN7000.

Wow ! Guess I opened a can of worms on this one . Thanks for all the help and suggestions everyone . Please keep it coming . I have asked Hammond for help as well , but so far no reply .

Hi,

usually this is fairly easy!
I play the combination of KN 7000 with the sound module of Ketron SD 2 Here's the link:

http://www.ketron.com/itemdetails.asp?mod=SD2

There are several ways to connect the KN 7000 SD 2 (different keyboard or synthesizer)

I have it set that I play the sounds from the SD 2 Right 2, and only the sounds of the KN 7000 on Right 1

Midi Preset - is a necessary - I have all the midi channels, except Right 2 are set to "OFF. " Right 2 is only on Channel 2 This sounds like just the sound of the SD 2, one has to Channel 2, the sounds of the KN 7000 block. This is in Midi - Part Setting "Local" to the OFF position.

Using the Panel Memory Output "Program Change and MIDI Out" I choose the sound of the SD 2 at. It is possible, these settings permanently stored on the SD card and to call again.

It is difficult for me to write in detail in a foreign language. I hope you can understand it.

Just as with the SD 2 deals with the Hammond. The sound of the Hammond numbers are in the Reference Guide of the Hammond.

Thank you for posting.
I have an SD2 but have never used it with my KN7000, I understand the part setting for R2, but don't understand how you can choose which sounds you play from the SD2.
Bernie

Hi,

Read in this Operating Instruction Part XIII - Midi: 186 page. In particular, the pages 194 - 196

Hi Bernie

You need to send a program change message to select the sound program you want on the SD2, follow my previous link http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_get_started_with_midi.html to see how it all interacts.

Hope this helps

Bill

Hi Bernie,

Look in your mail. I've sent you an example.
Connection: Midi Out KN 7000 - Midi In SD 2
L / R SD 2 - Aux in KN 7000 or in the mixer.

Download the file being sent.

I have to PM 1 (Right 2, channel 2) the clarinet program 72 MSB 0 from the SD 2
PM 2 Strings Prg. 50 MSB 0
PM 3 Trumpet Prg. 57 MSB 0
PM 4,guitar Prg. 25 MSB 1
PM 5 JazzOrgan2 Prg.18 MSB 1
PM 6 Tenor Sax Prg.67 MSB 1
PM 7 Musette Prg.22 MSB 0
PM 8 Grand Piano Prg.1 MSB 0
permanently stored.

If you press the keyboard from the KN 7000, do you hear at first only a piano sound.
You must then press Panel Memory 1, so that the programs are activated by "Panel Memory Output".

Right to 1, the same instruments are the KN 7000 Transition between Right 2 and Reight 1 to hear the difference.

Thanks to both of you for your help.

If I remember correctly, I tried this a few years ago and could change the instrument families on the SD2, but not any specific voices. I don't think I used PM's though. At any rate, it is good to know some people have figured it out.

I am looking forward to trying it out as soon as I get some time.
Bernie

I would like to thank everyone who offered help and suggestions toward resolving my midi problem connecting KN7 and Hammond sound module. So far nothing has worked , but I'll keep st it . Special thanks to Bob Hendershot for working tirelessly giving many hours of his precious time toward finding a solution . He refused to quit . Bob---thanks again . Dick Bergin

Update on my KN7 midi connection to Hammond sound module . It recently occurred to me their was one connection we had not tried to connect the keyboard to module . So I connected a midi cable to the KN out and looped it back to the KN in terminal . Then a second midi cable to the thru on the KN to the module controller and perfecto ! ! It worked just the way it is supposed to . Seems the midi thru filtered out whatever was incompatible between the two . Bob Hendershot suggested I buy a midi thru processor from midi solutions on Amazon , and that has eliminated the need for the loop , I go directly from KN midi out to the midi thru processor and out to the controller and all works great . I am now a happy camper . Thanks to all who tried to give help . Dick Bergin

Dick's setup had some sort of hardware incompatibility. The "midi thru processor" he mentions is actually a midi splitter that creates a "Y" midi connection. It takes a midi input and creates two midi thru ports. But in this case it is really used as an isolator between his KN7000 and the Hammond module.