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#326925 - 06/22/11 12:58 AM
SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
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Registered: 12/01/99
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#326936 - 06/22/11 08:38 AM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: lahawk]
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Registered: 03/24/02
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Loc: worthington ,ohio
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#326984 - 06/22/11 08:52 PM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: Scottyee]
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Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 892
Loc: Baltimore, MD USA
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This is a rude awakening. However, it doesn't surprise me. I didn't post this link here because I sort of knew it would be met with indifference. Scott was nice enough to post the link and I appreciate that. I've often wondered over the years why people left the zone, and now I know. This is not really a place for real entertainers. Gear heads get a fair hearing here but people who can command an audience with just a keyboard and a PA are a foreign concept here. I've been a member here since 2005 but quite frankly, I got more attention the last time I took a crap. So as they say, it's been fun, but I've gotta run.
Joe
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PSR S950, PSR S900, Roland RD 700, Yamaha C3 6'Grand, Sennheiser E 935 mic, several recording mics including a Neuman U 87, Bose L1 Compact, Roland VS 2480 24 Track Recorder Joe Ayala
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#326993 - 06/22/11 11:29 PM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: Songman55]
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
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I've been a member here since 2005 but quite frankly, I got more attention the last time I took a crap. So as they say, it's been fun, but I've gotta run. Hi Joe, Though I understand your frustration as I've at times felt similar when I've posted my music in the past too, I think your reaction may be premature as this thread was only initiated within the last 24 hours. Please give enough ample time for people to find time to watch your videos. That said, even though some members may not find time to reply, many of them I,m certain appreciate your music. Unfortunately, there remain a few other otherwise regularly active members who, noticeable by their absence, rarely if ever reply, yet seemingly expect others to reply to "their" music, possibly because they're simply jeaulous and/or resentful when the limelight isn't currently on "them" instead. This place can often be an eye opening psyhology study in real world competitive social interaction and for better or worse, merely a reflection of the real world. That said, I hope you'll reconsider and not leave this forum because I, and many others here as well, appreciate your knowlege, friendship, and music too. Your departure would be a big loss. Btw: watching your YouTube gig performance clips really warmed my heart. You've definitely got the gift of bringing joy to others through your music.
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#327147 - 06/24/11 03:38 PM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: Scottyee]
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Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 2207
Loc: Dayton, OH USA
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Joe-
I watched your video within the last hour. It was pretty good. One of the better clips I've seen/heard in a while. That said, to be frank, it didn't blow me away. Who cares? Your audience likes you, your clients like you and I presume you're having fun so SCREW EVERYTHING ELSE and just do your thing.
As great as this forum can be for some things, meaningful critiques of people's work is, in my opinion, not a real strength. I've heard samples of stuff from some of the "sacred cows" on the forum which was terrible and the response was disappointing. Some raved about the performance nonetheless, others just ignored it. I thought about posting some respectful remarks about why I didn't like the various pieces, but truthfully, I have no appetite for the sh*tstorm that would've ensued. Its not worth it. If somebody really cares what I think, they usually contact me off site and we have a private discussion about the performance or issues they have. I've had several of those through the years with SZ members, and they're pretty enjoyable for both parties.
Its not anyone's fault. People here are trying in most instances to be polite and there's a feeling that bluntness can equal rudeness.
My take is your business is going pretty well. Do what you think is right, keep the residents happy and enjoy yourself. Trying to hit the sweet spot on a forum like this is next to impossible. I understand you didn't post it, but your frustration in the response is misguided. There's only a handful of players who do this professionally, most are playing for their own personal enjoyment, which is a whole different animal.
Just trying to give you some adult feedback and observations, Joe. Have fun, man...
Edited by Bill in Dayton (06/24/11 03:42 PM)
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#327152 - 06/24/11 04:26 PM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: Scottyee]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Beautifully put, Bill. Unfortunately, most folks here can't handle the truth, which is why there is so little honest (truthful) critiquing going on here. Obviously, many here value 'niceness' over honesty, and maybe that's a good thing; however, it renders most critiques completely valueless. This is especially true when it's 'best buds' critiquing 'best buds'. It also explains why most musical postings here are YouTube postings of total strangers that most of us could care less about (what's up with that?).
Let's face it, only 2 or 3 people on this entire board really play at a high level. Most nursing home players would have a difficult time making it in any other venue and many of the rest would have a difficult time working ANY kind of a gig without the help of SMF's, backing tracks, song-specific registrations on arranger keyboards, three finger chords, and a transpose button.
If you're 55 or over, check out where you're currently playing. You should then be able to critique yourself. Cheers everyone.
BTW, I won't be rebutting your rebuttals, but I promise to read them all.
chas
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"Faith means not wanting to know what is true." [Nietzsche]
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#327166 - 06/24/11 07:03 PM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: cgiles]
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Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 892
Loc: Baltimore, MD USA
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Beautifully put, Bill. Unfortunately, most folks here can't handle the truth, which is why there is so little honest (truthful) critiquing going on here. Obviously, many here value 'niceness' over honesty, and maybe that's a good thing; however, it renders most critiques completely valueless. This is especially true when it's 'best buds' critiquing 'best buds'. It also explains why most musical postings here are YouTube postings of total strangers that most of us could care less about (what's up with that?).
Let's face it, only 2 or 3 people on this entire board really play at a high level. Most nursing home players would have a difficult time making it in any other venue and many of the rest would have a difficult time working ANY kind of a gig without the help of SMF's, backing tracks, song-specific registrations on arranger keyboards, three finger chords, and a transpose button.
If you're 55 or over, check out where you're currently playing. You should then be able to critique yourself. Cheers everyone.
BTW, I won't be rebutting your rebuttals, but I promise to read them all.
chas I was going to leave well enough alone but I have to take this one on. I am a classically trained pianist who has played concert tours in this country as well as Enland, Cuba, and Mexico. I have piano albums out there which you can check out. I have a long career playing in bands as well. I have been ou tour with the Platters as well as the Flamingoes and I did a short stint with Wayne Cochran and the CC Riders at the Barn in Miami. I have played the nursing home circuit the past several years for the following reasons. First of all, it is the most gratifying work I have ever done. I love the old people. Secondly, it gives me a normal life. I don't have to work every night of the week for the first time in my life. I'm 61 years old and I love what I do. Shame on you guys who put down the nursing home circuit. You have no idea of some of the great musical things that are happining out there with people like Gary Diamond, Donny Pesce, and yes, Bill Corfield and myself. I'm sorry this whole thing got started but for the time being, as Bill said, he wasn't blown away, but I was. I was blown away from this forum. I have several friends here and I will continue to communicate with you. As for the rest, have a nice life. Joe
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PSR S950, PSR S900, Roland RD 700, Yamaha C3 6'Grand, Sennheiser E 935 mic, several recording mics including a Neuman U 87, Bose L1 Compact, Roland VS 2480 24 Track Recorder Joe Ayala
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#327175 - 06/24/11 08:27 PM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: Songman55]
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Beautifully put, Bill. Unfortunately, most folks here can't handle the truth, which is why there is so little honest (truthful) critiquing going on here. Obviously, many here value 'niceness' over honesty, and maybe that's a good thing; however, it renders most critiques completely valueless. This is especially true when it's 'best buds' critiquing 'best buds'. It also explains why most musical postings here are YouTube postings of total strangers that most of us could care less about (what's up with that?).
Let's face it, only 2 or 3 people on this entire board really play at a high level. Most nursing home players would have a difficult time making it in any other venue and many of the rest would have a difficult time working ANY kind of a gig without the help of SMF's, backing tracks, song-specific registrations on arranger keyboards, three finger chords, and a transpose button.
If you're 55 or over, check out where you're currently playing. You should then be able to critique yourself. Cheers everyone.
BTW, I won't be rebutting your rebuttals, but I promise to read them all.
chas I was going to leave well enough alone but I have to take this one on. I am a classically trained pianist who has played concert tours in this country as well as Enland, Cuba, and Mexico. I have piano albums out there which you can check out. I have a long career playing in bands as well. I have been ou tour with the Platters as well as the Flamingoes and I did a short stint with Wayne Cochran and the CC Riders at the Barn in Miami. I have played the nursing home circuit the past several years for the following reasons. First of all, it is the most gratifying work I have ever done. I love the old people. Secondly, it gives me a normal life. I don't have to work every night of the week for the first time in my life. I'm 61 years old and I love what I do. Shame on you guys who put down the nursing home circuit. You have no idea of some of the great musical things that are happining out there with people like Gary Diamond, Donny Pesce, and yes, Bill Corfield and myself. I'm sorry this whole thing got started but for the time being, as Bill said, he wasn't blown away, but I was. I was blown away from this forum. I have several friends here and I will continue to communicate with you. As for the rest, have a nice life. Joe Joe when I met you in Dallas & when we were both in Louisiana with Don M at the jam a few years ago I heard what a master can do on a keyboard hearing you play and jamming beside two of my favorites You & Don M, and some others, an experience I hope to do again in the future and one I will NEVER forget!... Don't let some of these forum posters bother you they ain't worth it,... and they eventually show their true colors. We'll talk l8tr. take care
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#327222 - 06/25/11 08:45 AM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: Scottyee]
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Senior Member
Registered: 06/28/01
Posts: 2792
Loc: Lehigh Valley, Pa.
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Joe,
Your first move was to thank Scott for the video uploads, then blast others for not responding...all within minutes after the original post by Scott.
Not only did you not give it enough time, you never thanked the two posters, including me, who gave nice comments before your 'rude awakening' post.
Now three days later, and still no thank you, only complaints.
Joe, I'm the same age as you, and at times I exhibit poor judgment, make statements that I later regret, and I show less patience the older I get. Your post has reminded me that I also need to work on these aspects of life.
Chill out Joe...life is short.
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Larry "Hawk"
♫ 🎹🎹 ♫ SX-900
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#327231 - 06/25/11 10:01 AM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: lahawk]
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Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 892
Loc: Baltimore, MD USA
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Joe,
Your first move was to thank Scott for the video uploads, then blast others for not responding...all within minutes after the original post by Scott.
Not only did you not give it enough time, you never thanked the two posters, including me, who gave nice comments before your 'rude awakening' post.
Now three days later, and still no thank you, only complaints.
Joe, I'm the same age as you, and at times I exhibit poor judgment, make statements that I later regret, and I show less patience the older I get. Your post has reminded me that I also need to work on these aspects of life.
Chill out Joe...life is short.
Larry, you're right, I do owe you guys a thanks. And yes, I know i have a short fuse. Again, thanks to everyone who responded. Now let's get on with our lives. I have a private party to play for.
Later,
Joe
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PSR S950, PSR S900, Roland RD 700, Yamaha C3 6'Grand, Sennheiser E 935 mic, several recording mics including a Neuman U 87, Bose L1 Compact, Roland VS 2480 24 Track Recorder Joe Ayala
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#327232 - 06/25/11 10:27 AM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: Scottyee]
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Senior Member
Registered: 06/28/01
Posts: 2792
Loc: Lehigh Valley, Pa.
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And yes, I know i have a short fuse. Again, thanks to everyone who responded. Now let's get on with our lives. I have a private party to play for.
Later,
Joe Thanks Joe, sounds good to me, and I understand the short fuse thing. For me the fuse becomes more shorter, the older I get. Anyway, I'm glad we can all move on, and keep on making all kinds of music for all kinds of people. Larry ps Chas...well stated views on Nursing Homes & Arrangers, both have important roles in life
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#327335 - 06/26/11 01:00 PM
Re: SZ Member Joe Ayala: Live Arranger KB Performance
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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As you well know Tony as we age we lose our hair some even earlier...no big deal for me, unlike others I am happy & comfortable with my adulthood.... I enjoy my life no matter what every day, I am truly blessed... it's like a fine wine..gets better with age. Hey, at our age, it's best not to waste any hormones to grow hair. I sent my friend, who is also hair-challenged, a nice comb...he said he'd never part with it. Ian
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