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#327047 - 06/23/11 01:04 PM Question for Audya owners
Leibniz Offline
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I'm about to purchase the Audya 76 from Audioworks but have a little concern regarding its user style creation features. From your experience, Is it extraordinarily complicated to create your own styles in it?

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#327055 - 06/23/11 02:12 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Leibniz]
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I have no created styles using the Audya's Style Compiler, but I have used StyleWorks to created SD1 styles an then added audio drums and guitar parts to make them sound better in the Audya.
Probably Socratis can give you a better answer about the compiler.

Because the build-in styles are so easy to modify and save with another name in the user section, I have been going that way most of the time, instead of creating new ones using the compiler.
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#327061 - 06/23/11 03:03 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Machetero]
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What I think I'll need to create is some completely different drum styles. so I guess my questions is whether or not the only way to create the drum parts is by modifying the already existing audio files for drums found within the Audya.

If this is the only way it may be a problem because I don't know how you can modify an audio, unless it'd turn possible to simply transfer complete audio recordings of drums playing to make them the drum part of a style then add different files for variations and fills. That would be great indeed.

I did it once a bit with my Casio by writing the midi for each part on my computer then transferring it to the keyboard but I'm not sure how it works on the Audya, since, again, the drums are not played by midi.

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#327078 - 06/23/11 06:48 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Leibniz]
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Leibniz

What kind of music do u play?

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#327084 - 06/23/11 08:06 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Leibniz]
Machetero Offline
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Originally Posted By: Leibniz
What I think I'll need to create is some completely different drum styles. so I guess my questions is whether or not the only way to create the drum parts is by modifying the already existing audio files for drums found within the Audya.

If this is the only way it may be a problem because I don't know how you can modify an audio, unless it'd turn possible to simply transfer complete audio recordings of drums playing to make them the drum part of a style then add different files for variations and fills. That would be great indeed.

I did it once a bit with my Casio by writing the midi for each part on my computer then transferring it to the keyboard but I'm not sure how it works on the Audya, since, again, the drums are not played by midi.



I don't think that you can modify the Audio Drums, but you can modify the MIDI drums available in the Audya. You can create your own Audio Drums by recording them even from a CD and save them as wave files and installing them in User Drums.
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#327088 - 06/23/11 10:01 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Pearlss1977]
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I used to play and much more so listen to classic music and I love the music theory part of it. I'd need more time and diligence to come back to playing it, though, so currently in terms of performance I'm mainly focused on Jewish music. The styles I'd be interested in creating are intended to express some of the peculiarities prevalent in the "Freilach" or "Klezmer" music.

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#327089 - 06/23/11 10:03 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Machetero]
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Thanks for answering, Machetero. didn't know it has midi drums (in addition to the audio) capable of being manipulated into a style.

At any event, you said I can also record and install my audio drums to be stored in the user drums. Does this mean I could combine those audio drums into an entire style with variations and fills and other instrumental tracks?

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#327097 - 06/23/11 11:31 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Leibniz]
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Hi my friends....
So....With Audya you can to make styles with:
1) With Midi sequence ( midi file format 0 ) in a host (like Cubase, Logic, Sonar etc) and with Style Compiler you can to compile a new style and modify in Audya, or Style Compiler with Audio, User_Audio Guitars, Audio, User_audio Drums, etc...
2) onboard in Audya with Pattern Edit and you can to use Audio, User_Audio Drums, also Midi Drums etc....
3) With method AUDIO STYLE MODELING
This is a very easy method to make new style without any Edit but you can to select Audio and Midi Drums and Instruments Loops and Riffs, in all Channels of Style and you can with a Remix, to make a new Style!!!!.... VERY GOOD!!! VERY EASY!!!...
Best Regards.


Edited by Sokratis 1974 (06/23/11 11:32 PM)
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#327105 - 06/24/11 02:29 AM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Sokratis 1974]
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Originally Posted By: Sokratis 1974
Hi my friends....
So....With Audya you can to make styles with:
1) With Midi sequence ( midi file format 0 ) in a host (like Cubase, Logic, Sonar etc) and with Style Compiler you can to compile a new style and modify in Audya, or Style Compiler with Audio, User_Audio Guitars, Audio, User_audio Drums, etc...
2) onboard in Audya with Pattern Edit and you can to use Audio, User_Audio Drums, also Midi Drums etc....
3) With method AUDIO STYLE MODELING
This is a very easy method to make new style without any Edit but you can to select Audio and Midi Drums and Instruments Loops and Riffs, in all Channels of Style and you can with a Remix, to make a new Style!!!!.... VERY GOOD!!! VERY EASY!!!...
Best Regards.

Sokratis,
it not so easy witrh Style Compiler.What I mean:sometimes Style Compiler dont recognize Pat.file(program show tekst:baad file)and in this case you cant do enithing.I dont know a reason of that kinde behavior.Ather style I can compile or edit with no problem.
I would like to asck you for little help.Haw I can insert more measure betwen two markes in Sonar8 program?
Style Compiler can maket a blank Midi file with all markers who is nececery for Pat file(style),but that Midi file has only one measure betwen all markers.Then:haw to insert more measure betwen markers?
And anather question:
when I load Pat.file thru Style Compiler in Sonar I can see haw that style is maket.For all parts of style has markers who separate Major ,minor and seventh parts of style.My question is:what is the diferent betwen that Major or minor parts?Its the same and play the same and I cant hear diferent betwen Major or Minor parts.
Thank you

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#327116 - 06/24/11 07:58 AM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Dusan]
Sokratis 1974 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dusan
Originally Posted By: Sokratis 1974
Hi my friends....
So....With Audya you can to make styles with:
1) With Midi sequence ( midi file format 0 ) in a host (like Cubase, Logic, Sonar etc) and with Style Compiler you can to compile a new style and modify in Audya, or Style Compiler with Audio, User_Audio Guitars, Audio, User_audio Drums, etc...
2) onboard in Audya with Pattern Edit and you can to use Audio, User_Audio Drums, also Midi Drums etc....
3) With method AUDIO STYLE MODELING
This is a very easy method to make new style without any Edit but you can to select Audio and Midi Drums and Instruments Loops and Riffs, in all Channels of Style and you can with a Remix, to make a new Style!!!!.... VERY GOOD!!! VERY EASY!!!...
Best Regards.

Sokratis,
it not so easy witrh Style Compiler.What I mean:sometimes Style Compiler dont recognize Pat.file(program show tekst:baad file)and in this case you cant do enithing.I dont know a reason of that kinde behavior.Ather style I can compile or edit with no problem.
I would like to asck you for little help.Haw I can insert more measure betwen two markes in Sonar8 program?
Style Compiler can maket a blank Midi file with all markers who is nececery for Pat file(style),but that Midi file has only one measure betwen all markers.Then:haw to insert more measure betwen markers?
And anather question:
when I load Pat.file thru Style Compiler in Sonar I can see haw that style is maket.For all parts of style has markers who separate Major ,minor and seventh parts of style.My question is:what is the diferent betwen that Major or minor parts?Its the same and play the same and I cant hear diferent betwen Major or Minor parts.
Thank you

Dusan.....
Not easy of course the Style Compiler method but AUDIO STYLE MODELING method....this meaning easy....
Sorry but I dont know about this, becouse I dont use Sonar....
I use only Cubase......


Edited by Sokratis 1974 (06/24/11 07:59 AM)
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#327121 - 06/24/11 09:11 AM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Sokratis 1974]
Dusan Offline
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Ok Sokratis,then explain haw you do this in Cubase then....

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#327127 - 06/24/11 10:47 AM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Sokratis 1974]
Leibniz Offline
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Hi Sokratis thanks for the info. let me ask you a question. I understand that all the three methods you mentioned allow me to use my audio drums and audio guitar, right? But how come is doesn't generate a problem of synchronization with the midi parts of the style I want to create? The audio guitars or drums might play rubato and so you meed to somehow let the midi know how to accommodate itself to the rubato style of the audio, don't you?

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#327129 - 06/24/11 11:14 AM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Leibniz]
Dusan Offline
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Originally Posted By: Leibniz
Hi Sokratis thanks for the info. let me ask you a question. I understand that all the three methods you mentioned allow me to use my audio drums and audio guitar, right? But how come is doesn't generate a problem of synchronization with the midi parts of the style I want to create? The audio guitars or drums might play rubato and so you meed to somehow let the midi know how to accommodate itself to the rubato style of the audio, don't you?

Let me answer on your question.I am not some expert for software problems in Audya,but I can try to answer.
If you want to use your oun created auidio drums you must first record that drums in Waw format for all parts of style.That mean:main A,B,C,D an all fils andings and intros separated with markers.The best way is if you record with prescribed tempo.Taht mean for Ballad style about 70 to 90 beat,or for Samba 124 Beat.Haw Audya sinhronize audio parts with Midi?Dont know the right procedur,but Audya can recognize Midi tempo and automatic sinhronize Audio parts with midi.Cos if Midi parts has 100 beat and your audio drums has only 50 beat then Audia cant sinhronize.Diferents betwen that two parts can be only approximly 20%.
Hope I helping you somehaw.Audio Guitars is a diferent story and allso I want to know haw to record audio parts for that instrument who Audya can recognize.That is top sicret in Ketron.
Regards

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#327141 - 06/24/11 02:05 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Leibniz]
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Sokratis,

any videos for Style Compiler?
I read manual, but it is not very detailed
How to easily learn this style compiler,
and instructions on what you need to do in Cubase?

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#327193 - 06/24/11 11:17 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Leibniz]
Sokratis 1974 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Leibniz
Hi Sokratis thanks for the info. let me ask you a question. I understand that all the three methods you mentioned allow me to use my audio drums and audio guitar, right? But how come is doesn't generate a problem of synchronization with the midi parts of the style I want to create? The audio guitars or drums might play rubato and so you meed to somehow let the midi know how to accommodate itself to the rubato style of the audio, don't you?

Leibniz
The synchronization of Audya it becomes in real time direct from the disk…
You only that you need is to select Audio Drums Style, Audio Guitar Riff, or User_Audio_Drums loop, User_Audio_Guitar Riff, also Midi Instruments Riffs, or your Midi new Record sequence....
I don't know if I helped you, because I a not understand well your question…
Sorry but my English is Poor....
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#327195 - 06/25/11 12:08 AM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: leezone]
Sokratis 1974 Offline
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Originally Posted By: leezone
Sokratis,

any videos for Style Compiler?
I read manual, but it is not very detailed
How to easily learn this style compiler,
and instructions on what you need to do in Cubase?

leezone
I have abandoned style compiler and henceforth I am working onboard in Audya...
I am tired despite with Style Compiler because, in compiled despite a lot of times it had Error....
This can be exist wheen in Midi File a nota, that not have Quantize .....
Still more badly it is if it finds SySex command that can that can be shared in two Markers .....
In order to I find therefore the error (because it does not say the program what precisely it is error) I lost despite very time unfairly…
It is therefore very easy for me I work in Audya....


Edited by Sokratis 1974 (06/25/11 12:13 AM)
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#327242 - 06/25/11 11:13 AM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Sokratis 1974]
Dusan Offline
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Sokratis,
you dont answer on my question ,haw to insert measure in Cubase.

Leezone,
what are you want to know abaut Style Compiler and Cubase?

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#327292 - 06/25/11 11:39 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Dusan]
Sokratis 1974 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dusan
Sokratis,
you dont answer on my question ,haw to insert measure in Cubase.

to know abaut Style Compiler and Cubase?

Ops..... smirk....Sorry my friend!!!
Now I saw your question .....
Because however I didn't understand well what you want, you can do again your question?.....Thank you...
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#327294 - 06/26/11 12:57 AM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Sokratis 1974]
Dusan Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sokratis 1974
Originally Posted By: Dusan
Sokratis,
you dont answer on my question ,haw to insert measure in Cubase.

to know abaut Style Compiler and Cubase?

Ops..... smirk....Sorry my friend!!!
Now I saw your question .....
Because however I didn't understand well what you want, you can do again your question?.....Thank you...


In my provious post I would like to know haw to insert one or more measuer betwen two markers.Style Compiler can maket blank Midi file separated with all markers who Audya nead to play Style,but in particulare midi file is only one measuer betwen all markers.My question is :haw to insert more measure betwen all that markers?If you used Cubase for style editing then please explain haw you do this in Cubase.
Thank you

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#327339 - 06/26/11 01:09 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Sokratis 1974]
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Thank you all guys for your inputs. What I have studied so far is that Audya supports the basics of writing user styles on midi. It is even possible to import user audio drums into a style rather than being restricted to Audya recordings alone.

At the other hand I learn that there are some problems invovled with the Style Compiler and that some video instruction would be very helpful.

Overall I expect it not to be extremely complicated to build my styles in one method or another and that Audya will do more in next software updates to make the process of style writing more user friendly.

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#327381 - 06/26/11 10:55 PM Re: Question for Audya owners [Re: Leibniz]
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Ok Dusan.....
Please give me litle time..... I will try to make a small video or I will make a doc file about this.....


Edited by Sokratis 1974 (06/26/11 11:17 PM)
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