Is this the twilight zone or something???????

Bacchus . In the clip Donny posted showing what was good about the Kronos Workstation as opposed to an arranger , did you:

. Hear Karma being used ? If so where . I know it was not being used in that track
. did you hear any piano being used ? If so where. I know there was no piano used in that track.
. could you tell if the vector stick or ribbon controler was being used at all?
. Were VST's being used ? which one please tell me.
.Was HD recording a feature of the demo ? Tell me how you know !
. Did the user design all those sounds ? How can you tell. Can those sounds or something similar be produced on a bog standard arranger ? If you had a some sound creation knowledge most definately yes !
. Were 9 synth engines being used to produce that demo ? if so its eems 8 were completely wasted !!!

This is what i mean about folks being blindsided everytime the word ' arranger ' or 'Workstation' is used !!!

Bacchus. None of the differences that you have pointed to make one jot of difference , i repeat not one jot to the fact that an arranger could do what that Kronos was used to do in the clip Donny posted. We can argue about the quality of sounds all day but the functions are identical. you select a sound, you edit the sound to your tastes, you switch on the sequencer , you record the track. Then you start on te next track, and thge next until you have created your song. Do i need 9 synth engines to do that ? Do i need a vector stick,ribbon controller ,breath controller , firewire, VST's , conectivity to ipad and a thousand useless apps to do that ??? NO !!! These are just extra stuff that people may choose to use or dont use. They have nothing , again i repeat nothing to do with the functioning and use of a workstation and nothing to do with the creation of the Kronos track you heard (thats if you actually listened to it ) and the similar track i posted up produced on a lowly psr900.

You see when folks start talking about irrelevant features that have nothing to do with making original music whcich is what Donny was imply cannot be done on an arranger but could be done on a workstation ,it simply tells me they either dont know how to use what they already have , Or they dont have the talent to make music.

there it is, i said it !! Sue me !

Thats the elephant in the room that folks are tripping over and politely calling lumpy carpet :-)

Thanks for the talk. My comments are not meant to offend but i know some will take offense so i will let the thread run on . I cant make myself any clearer.





Did you read the text you qouted ????

Sorry Bill i missed your post.

can i use the Kronos to play the VST's you posted above without the use of a computer ?????? I dont think so....

Can i use the same VSts with an arranger without a computer ????? i dont think so . What is the enabler ????

The computer !!!!

also

'Regarding the link to the Kronos Nylon Guitar, I couldn’t find it with the link you posted; the only thing I heard was a bit of steel guitar and distortion guitar as he passed through some of the voices.'

did you liten at 4.12 in the clip. If you did and you thought what you heard a steel guitar....either your sound system neds updating or it proves the point of how bad the NYLON string sounded. I used that example because that is what is being discussed on the Korg forum in the Kronos section.

Hi Spalding

It’s easy to miss a post when the thread drifts off the main topic, however hopefully it will now come back to the original question.

You are correct it cannot use external VSTi, but like the previous OASYS it’s only because Korg do not enable it. Both appear to be based on the Linux OS, (From what I can gather) and disk streaming requires high speed data transfer which is easily achieved with computer hardware, not the typical workstation data bus, effectively the Kronos is a closed Lionstracs Mediastion where all the software has been designed by Korg, rather than a mixture of 3rd party software as used on the Mediastion.

I use my arranger/organ with VSTi without any external equipment, so yes, there is.

The display does show a Nylon Guitar, however there is something on the screen after it which I can’t make out, however if you watch this video here from about 10.03, you should see what is going on, also have a listen to this video here which shows a real guitar for a comparison, and you will note that neither the T4 or Kronos giving an accurate portrayal of this guitar. (Remember there are many different sounding guitars out there, so just because the one shown in the demo doesn’t suit you, it’s probably an accurate rendition of the guitar it was modelled on)

Bill

Pro musicians in BAND....do not want or need an arranger...but that same musician if he/she were working by themselves and if they gave it a chance would love an arranger. I've had both...a Kurzweil K2600X and arrangers...for me I can do my 'thing' with an arranger and not a workstation.
Actaually...go listen to a few bands...do you even hear the keyboard player? NO, unless they are doing a solo (rare) or playing piano real loud. You sure do hear the drums, and distortion guitare, that is to drown out the singers in those bands so we don't hear that they can not sing! But they jump around a lot! If you want to hear some great keybords go listen to Bee Gees. They really value the Kurzweils they play.
As we know..the arrangers can also be used fine as a WS...just turn off the arranger and play full keyboard mode. But, why would a band guy pay more $$ for an arranger...not.
Remember the home Organ was the predesessor to the arranger, we left hand had accomanyment in the 1960's including drums. And it was good for that time. Or we used a sideman (drum machine).
It was Piano or Organ...now it's WS (or Piano) or arranger. Seems you are either a Apple or an Orange guy? (some are both)