Here is a video of designing a Sound from Scratch on the Korg Kronos:
http://youtu.be/GSsjbowj8h0
Nothing special, its around 14 min long but you can watch in details
from scratch how 1 simple Wave becomes a Sound, its done with AL-1.
There is no explanations of steps or anything, its basically just hanging
out with my Kronos and Camera...some people might actually find it usefull.
In this case its an Oriental Sound played in Oriental Scale and Style but its
a Hybrid, it Sound more like an Analog Brass when FX Off.
It might be boring at first but its fun to watch, what comes at the end.

Thanks

Nedim,

I don't think I will bother, sounded like "morse code" to me, it will never catch on, never sell as many as the Tyros 4, not even the MS GROOVE, anyway Nedim you keep coming back with all these little nugett gems, but not one jot about the MS in the cupboard. Hey Nidem, smoking and KBs don't mix, that guy was puffing away, turned me off completly. What came at the end sounded like a Rolf Harris Stylaphone, not a £3000.00 KB. That wasn't you was it!!!

di dah di dah di di dah dah dah

Transalte that if you can.

Regards Nedim

Tony

Hahahahahahaha...talk anything you want...words wont hurt me
but talking about my Cigarettes might break me...i am a rebel,
i smoke anywhere, lolz, even when i get a fine ticket for that.

Nedim...I can't watch the video.......I don't have high speed.

I've been waiting for that Kronos to come out, but now I'm having 2nd thoughts about what to buy.

A few questions if you don't mind......

The "editing" on the Kronos looks somewhere between difficult and "impossible." I read a few reviews about that too (true...false?)

I loved the Oasys. What do you think of the sounds on the Kronos (before editing).

What are your thoughts about buying a Kronos....worth the money?

Did you hear the Roland Jupiter 80? I played one at my local shop, but I couldn't get it to play properly so I didn't hear it at it's best. Have YOU heard enough of it to compare the two boards?

Hi Mark,
1. The Editing, i dont know, i cant give you the right answer to that,
i know so much about Korg workstations that simply there is nothing on
any Korg WS that i dont know, down to probably the last function and for
me it would be hard to tell you its difficult or easy. You have to understand
that every WS is the same level of dificulty, be it Korg or Roland or Yamaha.
It is EXACTLY the same as the Oasys, it is not complicated but it is Complex.
A WS with this kind of power really needs some knowledge about programming.
So in my opinion there is not an Easy or Dificult to edit Workstation, they
are all the same level, Triton, M3, Kronos, Motif, Fantom, i have them all.
2. Comparing Kronos and Oasys...i dont know, their Editing features are exactly
the same but Kronos is years ahead, first of all it contains all of the 9 Engines
for which you had to pay on the Oasys...Oasys is a better build quality though.
3. Yes, i played long enough on the JP80, even worked on it few days. These 2 Boards
are not comparable, they are 2 different at what they do, one is Workstatin while
the other is just a really high end Synth. What Kronos will do JP80 will never do
and vice versa. Modulation/Emulation of Physical and Analog Modeling is actually better
for some thing on the JP80...but it lacks a lot of whats on the Kronos. The Kronos
actually surpassed the Workstation level...it is more of a Studio now, you can record,
Mix, Master and Edit a whole album in it, the FX are way better then the JP80.

Nedim.....thanks for this elaborate reply. Fortunately (or unfortunately), I'm seeing these keyboards in a different light now. It seems the beauty of them is not so much the sounds themselves, but the ability to edit and morph into other sounds.

I'm not sure I want to pay for all of those editing options. I tend to be a player, and my days of editing went out with the DX7.

After I read your reply I DID go to my local music store to have a fresh look at the Kronos. Yes, incredible editing possibilities but way too many for your average Joe. I suddenly realized THAT'S what I'm paying for.

The plot thickens. I never realized something like this would happen. I've been playing only the piano (no synthesizers) for the last year. Suddenly, the artificial sound of a synth sounds noticeably "artificial." Not sure how to get around that one, or even do I want to "get around that one."

I'll back off the Kronos and Jupiter for now.

Mark

Hi Mark

That is the difference between a Workstation and an Arranger:

Workstation = Excellent basics which you can edit to get pretty much anything you want.

Arranger = Everything done for you (Just press 1 button)with no setup required by the player, but ultimately is very limiting if you want to do your own thing.

A piano and a synth are 2 totally separate instruments (Just like a trumpet and a guitar) so treat them as such and you will have no conflicts.

Regards

Bill

In my opinion this is a waste of valuable time if you are a player but OK if you are a computer programmer.

I tend to echo your feelings, Mark.

As a long time Yamaha employee, I had extensive time on the DX-7 after it came out in 1983, and did a lot of work with it, both demoing and playing it in a band.

Even the most synth-experienced of us had quite a time coming to grips with the programming, and most of us ended up being "sound editors" rather than "sound creators". Sound creators, like Bo Tomlyn, from the USA, made a nice living selling preloaded cartridges with fresh and inventive sounds for the more performance orientated DX-7 users.

I lean towards arrangers, in my case, a Tyros4, because, even though the sound editing is not quite as extensive, it still allows enough to "tweak" a sound into submission, or, more expression, depending on my needs.

I'm from the "old school", having cut my teeth on Yamaha CP-70M, Hammond B-3, Fender Rhodes, Wurlitzer EP-200, and Polymoog and Jupiter 8 analog synthesizers. I don't want, or need extensive editing, because, like you, I am more of a player than a programmer.

However, the Kronos is quite a beautifully sounding instrument, although Nedim's sound editing demonstration was rather too simplistic to be of any benefit, at least to me.

Most arranger keyboards, from all brands, have enough sound editing for 99% of a "player's" needs, in my opinion.

Ian

I agree with you on both points Ian amd Mark79100, Nedim moved far to fast for me to keep up, he lost me on the first "dah-di-dah", maybe that was the name of the tune he was going to play when he got a good sound out of the KRONOS, he will come back with some more nuggetts, perhaps not on the KRONOS.

Tony

Hahahahaha Tony...Mark, you are right, you pay 3000$ also for features as you said
you will never use, then whats the point, just get one of the Piano machine.
Ian, Tony lost me on that one...can you imagine if i went more complex? LOL.

Nedim,

Please don't go more complex please, if you do, do it more slowly, so we can all see what is going on, your hands are like lightening. Or better still write a manual.

Keep up the good work Nedim, please on the MS, please!!! Do a tune all the way through on the MS it will be a first Nedim, bet you can't find the on switch. The sound outputs to the speakers are on the back panel LOL.

Regards

Tony

Hi Nedim,

It's not that you did a bad job, it's just that you didn't say what parameters (filter, cutoff, attack, decay etc) you were accessing and changing...it was nicely done otherwise.

Ian

While most users won't want to get into deep editing it is still awesome that those parameters are available so that sound programmers can create fantastic sounds for us all to use.

I tend to think that the Kronos will be the next keyboard to replace my aging Motif 6. The streamed piano alone totally overshadows the ROM piano on my Motif 6.