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#337273 - 01/24/12 11:52 AM Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM
Scottyee Offline
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The Korg micro-Arranger along with Pa80/60/50 model keyboards, don't store styles individually, but instead, store them 'grouped together' with other styles in one of 3 sets of USER Banks: USER01, USER02, USER03. Each USER bank can contain 16 styles, with all 3 banks: 48 user styles total . As a result, esp if you've got a lot of user styles/user banks, organizing & compiling your entire style library can quickly becomes challenging to organize and manage, esp if you need to access more than 48 styles at a sitting.

Enter 'Pa REsource Manger" (free)
It claims to be a powerful program for Korg Pa80, Pa60, and Pa50 keyboards, and I only assume now for the new Korg micro-Arranger too, to manage (organize) all your styles, rename them, group them in banks and create USER BANKS and loaded into the keyboard.

I just finished installing the program (PaResource Mgr. version 2.41), but have to admit I'm confused about a few things with its operation. Some of the online FAQ documentation for it is unreadable(print garbled up). Does anyone here have experience using this software app for organizing and creating USER BANK Sets for the Korg microARRANGER or Pa80/60/50 keyboards? Feedback much appreciated.

Scott smile

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#337281 - 01/24/12 01:21 PM Re: Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM [Re: Scottyee]
George Kaye Offline
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Scott,
The micro arranger does store styles individually. all you do is go to the set that has styles, push open, select the style folder, push open, select user1,2 or 3, push open, select the style you wish to load, push load, it will now give you the choice to load it to any of the 48 locations, push load and you have loaded 1 style. You can do this for all 48 locations and then save as a new set and there you go!
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#337283 - 01/24/12 01:48 PM Re: Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM [Re: George Kaye]
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Hi Scott

In my other post I said I had just been trying the PRM program and it does work quite well once you sus it out. It took me quite a while to work out how to save a style bank.

When you have loaded the database with styles which is explained in the notes you can then transfer any style across into a new bank. Then comes the tricky bit. When you save the new bank and give it a name etc it is then saved into a hidden database. (It doesn't mention this in the notes) Go to the bank menu and "load" a new bank this will display a list of banks previously saved. The one you have been working on should be present with your name and description. Highlight your new bank and select load bank. The new bank will re-appear on the right hand side of the main screen. Select make sty file from the bank menu.

New window appears allowing you to select where and how you wish to save the new bank, I have been using make user01.sty make your choice and press make sty. The new bank will be saved to your chosen location.

PS: before you do all this in the first screen select parameters and in the path for floppy type in your sd card mine is d:/

PRM will know where to save the new bank.

There is another handy programm called KSS or korg sniffer this allows you to open any PA50/60/80 style bank ie USER01.sty

and see what styles are in there.

Regards and good luck

Col

PS any problems let me know.


Edited by Saswick (01/24/12 01:50 PM)

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#337284 - 01/24/12 02:06 PM Re: Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM [Re: George Kaye]
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Originally Posted By: George Kaye
Scott,
The micro arranger does store styles individually.

George,
Unless I'm missing something here, that's simply not true. eek2
The micro arranger does 'not' store styles individually.
Styles must be stored 'together in a group' with up to 16 other styles in a User Bank .sty File (USER01,USER02, or USER03).
Once stored in a USER Bank file, it of course can be easily called up as you described. smile

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#337288 - 01/24/12 02:27 PM Re: Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM [Re: Saswick]
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Originally Posted By: Saswick
I had just been trying the PRM program and it does work quite well once you sus it out. It took me quite a while to work out how to save a style bank.

This is very reassuring. smile
Thanks for all the terrific useful PRM tips , especially the part about the hidden data base file not mentioned in the PRM documentation.
Thanks also for filling me about the SD card being 'drive D' as well. cool I was wondering about that.

One of the most frustrating things for me with the micro-Arranger and PA80/60/50 OS is not being able to view the contents (style names) of their USER01, USER02, or USER03 files from my PC.
For this reason, I will definitely download KSS (Korg sniffer). It will be great to finally (on the PC) actually see the individual styles contained in a given USER01, USER02, or USER03 file. smile

Col, I hope you can get Skype up and running soon, as I 'm really looking forward to chatting with you there to exchange information & our experiences about our micro-Arranger.
I'm having a lot of fun with it.

Scott smile

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#337290 - 01/24/12 02:33 PM Re: Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM [Re: Scottyee]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By: Scottyee
Originally Posted By: Saswick
I had just been trying the PRM program and it does work quite well once you sus it out. It took me quite a while to work out how to save a style bank.

This is very reassuring. smile
Thanks for all the terrific useful PRM tips , especially the part about the hidden data base file not mentioned in the PRM documentation.
Thanks also for filling me about the SD card being 'drive D' as well. cool I was wondering about that.

One of the most frustrating things for me with the micro-Arranger and PA80/60/50 OS is not being able to view the contents (style names) of their USER01, USER02, or USER03 files from my PC.
For this reason, I will definitely download KSS (Korg sniffer). It will be great to finally (on the PC) actually see the individual styles contained in a given USER01, USER02, or USER03 file. smile

Col, I hope you can get Skype up and running soon, as I 'm really looking forward to chatting with you there to exchange information & our experiences about our micro-Arranger.
I'm having a lot of fun with it.

Scott smile


Scott I easily singly audition Korg styles with EMC styleworks universal program on my PC no problem. btw tried you on skype No Answer.. frown


Edited by Dnj (01/24/12 02:37 PM)

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#337302 - 01/24/12 04:52 PM Re: Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM [Re: Scottyee]
George Kaye Offline
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Scott, I thought you meant loading a single style, not storing to card a single style.
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#337348 - 01/24/12 10:09 PM Re: Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM [Re: George Kaye]
Scottyee Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, US...
Originally Posted By: George Kaye
Scott, I thought you meant loading a single style, not storing to card a single style.

Here's what I originally posted: smile
Originally Posted By: Scottyee
The Korg micro-Arranger along with Pa80/60/50 model keyboards, don't store styles individually,
but instead, store them 'grouped together' with other styles in one of 3 sets of USER Banks: USER01, USER02, USER03.

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#337361 - 01/25/12 03:39 AM Re: Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM [Re: Dnj]
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Thanks Donny

I never thought of that as I use Universal XT for conversion only.

Bernie
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#337367 - 01/25/12 05:21 AM Re: Organizing & Compiling Pa80/60/50 Styles with PRM [Re: Bernie9]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bernie9
Thanks Donny

I never thought of that as I use Universal XT for conversion only.

Bernie


Very easy to do Bernie just make sure you have the correct conversion setup first.. the styles that sound good thru EMC usually sound better in your Arranger...good luck.

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