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#337388 - 01/25/12 09:25 AM Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart
Dnj Offline
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V-Cart Solo


Ive been using my RnR kart for 10 years now showing its age ......it's time for a change....
These look real nice..... clap



Edited by Dnj (01/25/12 09:48 AM)

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#337434 - 01/25/12 02:54 PM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: Dnj]
cassp Offline
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$199... a good deal more than an R10.
http://www.gruvgear.com/solo-lite
There are more carts and products available
http://www.gruvgear.com/products


Edited by cassp (01/25/12 02:58 PM)
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#337436 - 01/25/12 02:58 PM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: Dnj]
Dnj Offline
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I see so many people carrying gear under their arm into gigs ...no cases, speakers banged up, one guy told me when asked why don't you have cases, covers?....he says he liked the battle scars looks more professional! go figure

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#337446 - 01/25/12 05:07 PM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: Dnj]
kbrkr Offline
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This is Blasphemy I say!!! No one can replace the Rock 'n Roller cart...-OR- Maybe they can??

I don't know how many times I have pinched my damn fingers opening and closing the RnR!

I'll have to check these out.

You are just a fountain of information these days Donny, Glad your back. It's been so freakin' boring around here without you!!!

Keep 'em coming.
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#337448 - 01/25/12 05:21 PM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: kbrkr]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By: kbrkr
This is Blasphemy I say!!! No one can replace the Rock 'n Roller cart...-OR- Maybe they can??

I don't know how many times I have pinched my damn fingers opening and closing the RnR!

I'll have to check these out.

You are just a fountain of information these days Donny, Glad your back. It's been so freakin' boring around here without you!!!

Keep 'em coming.


Hi Al......Happy New Year!
I'll second the pinched finger deal...I still have the 10 yr older RED RnR kart use it every day, pretty much all the welds broke and had to replace all the pins with nuts & 2 3/4" lag Bolts smile ....but comon, when are they ever gonna improve the design, like a release trigger on top of the side bar so you don't have to bend down...etc,?..all the did was change the color and add no flat wheels big deal.....I also like these models shown..I'm thinking of which one will suit my daily transport needs....btw thank you kind sir it's good to be back with everyone also....

kind regards

dp

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#337463 - 01/25/12 08:03 PM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: Dnj]
Tom Cavanaugh Offline
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Loc: Muskegon, MI
If you have seen Gary Diamond's cart with his modification you would realize this isn't even close. Gary is the man!
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#337486 - 01/26/12 04:18 AM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: Dnj]
kbrkr Offline
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Registered: 11/19/02
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Loc: Tampa, FL
Originally Posted By: Dnj
Originally Posted By: kbrkr
This is Blasphemy I say!!! No one can replace the Rock 'n Roller cart...-OR- Maybe they can??

I don't know how many times I have pinched my damn fingers opening and closing the RnR!

I'll have to check these out.

You are just a fountain of information these days Donny, Glad your back. It's been so freakin' boring around here without you!!!

Keep 'em coming.


Hi Al......Happy New Year!
I'll second the pinched finger deal...I still have the 10 yr older RED RnR kart use it every day, pretty much all the welds broke and had to replace all the pins with nuts & 2 3/4" lag Bolts smile ....but comon, when are they ever gonna improve the design, like a release trigger on top of the side bar so you don't have to bend down...etc,?..all the did was change the color and add no flat wheels big deal.....I also like these models shown..I'm thinking of which one will suit my daily transport needs....btw thank you kind sir it's good to be back with everyone also....

kind regards

dp


Donny,

It only seems natural YOU should help design a new cart. If your mechanically inclined, why don't you design a cart with your specs in mind and then market it.

I personally would like to see the deck of the RnR solid so I can put smaller items on the cart without them falling through. I know they sell an aftermarket add-on, but does it slide open and closed when you expand the cart??

I also would like to see a Mic stand holder built into the side so you can just snap it in/out when the side pieces are up. I always put my mic stand on last on the top and it's always falling off on turns or bumps.

I'd like to see them switch from steel to aluminum to keep the weight down and stop the rust. Also, this thing rattles like crazy when it's loaded in the back of the vehicle. It could be a little better made and construction a little tighter. Add these items to your wish list, especially the release trigger idea which is spot on.

So if you design and market this NEW DonnyKart, you would then be handsome, famous, AND rich!!


Edited by kbrkr (01/26/12 04:22 AM)
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#337499 - 01/26/12 07:00 AM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: kbrkr]
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#337514 - 01/26/12 09:53 AM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: Dnj]
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First and foremost, the price is $199, which is about $50 more than the R&R R-10. Additionally, it has solid wheels, which are not forgiving when you are wheeling gear over a rough surface.

Next, it does not fold as flat as the R&R, therefore, taking up a bit more space in the van. The handles are round, which ins't conducive to attaching a top tier. The R&R handles are squared, which made adding a top tier very easy and inexpensive.

While aluminum would be lighter, it would not have the structural integrity of steel. Consequently, it would be about 50-percent bulkier.

There is a way to make one-half of the bottom platform of the R&R into a solid platform with the addition of simple aluminum sheeting pop-riveted in place. You could also use 1/4-inch thick Luan plywood in place of the aluminum sheeting, which would be quieter and easier to work with. The difference in weight would be negligible.

I've had 2 flat tires with the R&R during the past decade. I fixed the flats with Slime, the green stuff used for emergency tire repairs. In one instance a long thorn pierced the tire. In another case it was a roofing staple. While solid tires would prevent flats, the vibration on sidewalks and mcadam surfaces would be horrendous.

I don't see the above cart as a viable replacement for the Rock & Roller R-10, but that's only my point of view.

Gary cool
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#337515 - 01/26/12 10:13 AM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: travlin'easy]
Dnj Offline
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RnR have now available NO FLAT Tires...designed for the new R10 onlt....axle hole will NOT fit the older RED karts like I have as replacements ..
[url= http://www.rocknrollercart.com/parts.php]wheels[/url]

the R&R kart is ok & does the job...but really needs to be redesigned ...

Gruvgear has the right idea & "SEEMS TO BE IN TOUCH WITH REALITY"
....AT ANY PRICE YOUR BACK WILL THANK YOU not using a kart like I see so many is just not good.. clap

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#337517 - 01/26/12 10:52 AM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: Dnj]
DonM Offline
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
My gear is so small and light-weight now that I seldom use the R&R cart, unless I have a long ways to move the stuff.
I can unload all my stuff by hand in two trips. By the time I unfold the cart, load everything on it, take it in, I don't save any time, and I need the exercise anyway.
Last time I used it was December and I was on the 14th floor of the Petroleum Club and had to go up in the elevator, so I used the cart.
At my primary job, there's always a worker wanting to carry the stuff in. I usually take the keyboard myself and let them do the rest. A $5.00 tip takes of that, plus they will bring me coffee, tea, water, etc. all night too.
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#337520 - 01/26/12 10:56 AM Re: Finally an alternative to the Rock n Roller kart [Re: Dnj]
travlin'easy Offline
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
I can still vividly recall the old days when I wheeled speakers in on a refrigerator dolly that weighed more than my keyboard. Back then, setup time was nearly 45 minutes, and it would have been difficult to shave any time off that.

As for pinching fingers in the Rock & Roller cart--it has never been a problem for me, but maybe it has something to do with the way I open and close the cart.

My daughter, who lost the use of her left arm from a motorcycle accident several years ago, is currently loading, unloading and setting up my gear for me. I had cataract surgery on my left eye two weeks ago, and my right eye was done yesterday. The surgery precludes me lifting or bending down for about three weeks. She's a great vocalist, has excellent timing, and can handle the gear with one hand without any difficulty.

Cheers,

Gary cool
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