Hell Ted,

Those were the words I was trying to think of when Donny asked me about why I bought the Audya and here you have them " I think I bought it based on marketing hype".


Thanks Ted this old fool's not on his own after all!

Hey Tony have you checked that Kronos out yet to see how it would work for you? I'm just curious to get your feedback on it when you do. It is still on my radar. But I know you will be able to sum up the pluses and minuses very well.

Nigel,

It's been like a fairytale (GRIM) I put my Audya up for sale on ebay last week, there was another on there at £900 more than mine it was almost new. The guy looked at mine a lot cheaper so he reduced his to the same price as mine. I removed mine and let him get on with it. He then got a punt to bid at £2250.00 that's about all it is worth, he then removed it, so I put mine on again the coast is clear.
I don't need to sell the Audya to get the KRONOS, but our Doris is not like Donny's Doris, if my Doris sees 3 KB she knows I can't even play one.... she will say " SO WHAT DO YOU WANT 3 KBS FOR YOU'VE, ONLY GOT TWO FREAKING HANDS, AND WHILE I AM ON THE SUBJECT YOU'RE SPENDING FAR TOO MUCH TIME WITH THOSE OLD GITS FROM THE STATES WHO ARE ALL AS DAFT AS YOU ARE" slam the door behind her!!! I get a bit deflated and carry on.

I will go to the KRONOS shop either late this week or early next, have no fear Nigel it's on my hit list, the only problem it's black, so Doris will spot it straight away, life is terrible to me....heeeeeeee


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330683453072&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:GB:1123

Regards

Tony


BTW Nigel why doesn't the ebay get inserted so you can just click???

Karma is very much like an arranger if you want it to do so... ,... even a Fill on KARMA 3 (tough it plays on top of the other channels instead in place of them). You just don't have fills/intro's and endings. But KARMA is so much more.

And then a Motif can do just the same when using all 5 arpeggios to follow your chords.... As a Motif can do the same as the MOX and more. (KARMA will obvioulsy not come to the MOX)

I have a S90ES which is comparable to an Motif ES and with its plugin boards it blows away the MOX in sound quallity and options. On top of that it has one of the best 88 keys keybeds ever avaialble and was cheaper then the MOX in new condition.


But in the end, Mox/Motif/Kronos can function a tiny bit like an arranger, but they could never replace it for someone seriously attached to their intros and endings... someone that wahts to replay the orriginal music as best as possible.

Tony
I feel lucky. I have in my shack 2 silver and 1 black KB. My old Korg 01W is black. If another black shows up, I'll just hide my old 01W, and my "boss" will not notice, unless you tell her, but you are my friend, right?
skude

Many players don't like "CANNED" repetitive styles and prefer "Creating & Composing their own style of music", nothing wrong with that,. ....there is a reason there are two separate camps that will never come as one IMO, and many different thoughts& reasoning about the use of the Arranger KB & Workstation scenarios. Is there a place for both, of course there is, let's just respect them both and enjoy playing music.

Don't most arrangers have midi sequencers (multi-track) like workstations?

In my opinion, arrangers are the best of both worlds.

Ian

Before we compare and contrast the Arranger Keyboard with a Keyboard Workstation, the important thing to remember is that the distinction is NOT that one is professional and the other is not. Today, probably the only major difference between a workstation and an arranger is the type of sounds. Arrangers generally have what is known as "bread and butter sounds" (pianos, organ, brass and so on). Where as in addition to basic "bread and butter sounds" a workstation generally has more synth sounds and also better and more effects, as well as other music creation tools too numerous to mention in this context.

In a one-man band situation, both can work to have a full band effect but an arranger would give a more live feeling to the music by the use of intros, fills and variations with in a style. If you get an arranger that allows you to create your own styles, you can make the styles tailored to the type of music you play, and you're playing technique, and with as much live feeling as you need. On a workstation, you can use midi files or program the song with all the different parts and at the gig, play over the sequence. Depending on how you sequence the midi file, you can get a band-like effect.

With respect to composing original music, both an arranger and a workstation can get you to a final original song. On a workstation, you can use the sequencer and record each track in a linear way. Or you can use the pattern chaining function. On an arranger that has a sequencer (which most top end arrangers are coming with), you can also record in a linear way. You can also use the styles to build the song using fills, variation, intros and endings to give the different parts to the song. Depending on the type of keyboard arranger you have, you can either copy or paste the different parts of the styles in to the sequencer or you can record the styles real-time in to the sequencer. When in the sequencer, you can then edit the song to your liking using the punch in recording mode, copying measures and so on. If you don't want to compose a song from scratch, both arrangers and workstations have tools to help you. A workstation has onboard arpeggios and loops while an arranger has onboard styles.

In terms of live performance, and again, depending on the style in which you perform, the advantage of an arranger is the chord recognition feature for performing on the fly, and the vocal processor.

You really have to sit down and ask your self what do you want to do with a keyboard and what would be the best way to accomplish it. Then you can look at workstations vs. arrangers and after that, you have to look at what type/brand of arranger or workstation would best fit your needs.

They both have their places, Donny...but only one has a place in my kit...the arranger.

So, you are a pro, yet you use an arranger. Why?

Are you any less "pro" because you use one?

Most, if not all, of the "pros" on SZ's General Arranger Forum use arrangers...are they any less "professional"?

A workstation easier to navigate?

I guess it depends on your point of view, but I find an arranger far easier to work with (navigate), and it gives me results the equal to, or better than, a "workstation"...and in less time.

Time is money!

I'm not saying workstations don't have their place...I just don't want to use one, now that I'm given a choice.

Ian

PS...I see you copied your post content from here...great article.

http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/keyboards/professional-keyboards/buying-guide.php

Ian I am considering a MOX8 as a second keyboard to my Tyros 4 should I be waiting a bit here if there is a new version coming , I am concerned about the 64 note poly i am going to be using it for main keyboard sounds ie piano piano/layer pad ep/layer ect so the 64 voice worries me drop out the computer stuff is cool as well and weight is good please advise on above thanks Ron