Hey Bachus, no probs m8, it is all good...no explosions here...As far as I am concerned we cannot change what has happened all we do is affect what is to come..

I seriously meant no criticism in any way really, but it DOES read that way.....I will have to modify the writing style

I totally agree with you on both of those points 9(Media Station and needing a hardware SD2), Cannot say any more than that

With the OSL, you will not NEED an SD2 at all....I think Dan is also heading that way...

The big issue with vArranger for me was nto the software per se, but rather, the ADDED cost of the hardware...which out here, added about $800 to the setup (unless one went second hand) it is a captive market as in ONE distributor who also happens to own the ONLY store that sells them!!!

Dennis

Thanks

I've found most the needed information on the Roland manuals

I was not aware about the OSL project.

Of course vArranger will work well on it, because it is Windows 7 64 bits inside.

I am ok to develop a partnership with the OSL project if there is some need, and create a special vArranger package playing well with the OSL sound set, so the musician just have to plug and play.

I don't think that every OSL owner need an arranger inside.
So maybe we can add it as an option to save money for people who doesn't need it.

Other things you asked will come in future releases of vArranger.

DAN2000, did you read Roland MIDI Implementation too,(links on first page for both manual and Roland MIDI Implementation. note:for download and to see files press support button, Support button can be seen at each instrument page).


you mean all the options you can read on my post??
if yes, this will be great.

about OSL, maybe you can negotiate with each other.

when it comes to cooperation, will be great and if it does not happened ,you an OSL developers have nothing to lose.
(maby you can do something about the price)

Dan:
Adaptive Chord Voicing (ACV), or Alteration Mode was a new parameter contemporary with G70 v3, the E-50, E-60, E-80, and newer Ateliers. I don't believe the G-1000 and VA-series can authentically process a style track containing these parameters.

Curiously, the alteration mode parameter seems to have disappeared on the GW-8 and Prelude. It's almost like a different team programmed these newer boards and didn't make any effort at continuity. I tried a GW-8 briefly (but I didn't try to import an E-50 style.) So I'm not sure whether the GW-8 would correctly process ACV.

Regarding retrigger, Roland does not have this parameter in their style creation, nor as an option during playback. It is somehow embedded in the voice samples. For example, you can take a factory style track that exhibits retrigger behavior (e.g., it sounds a tone when chords are changed between beats) and revoice it. The new voice may or may not retain the retrigger behavior.

Diki and I exchanged posts about this a long time ago on the roland-arranger.com forum. We never did come up with a definitive explanation, or a definitive list of tones which do or don't have the retrigger behavior. On the whole it's not well-documented.

Curiously, I immediately noticed that retrigger was enabled by default in GW-8, and it was added as a default on the Prelude with the OS version 2 update. I still think this is a weak point on Rolands. A user should be able to turn retrigger on or off by track. Either as part of style creation, or during playback (as with GEM's "Autobacking.")

Hope this helps,
Ted

Hi Ted,

It seems from your post that Roland decide for the voicing and retriggering depending on the sound name.

It will make my work a little mode difficult without a Roland KB

They also added a Guitar mode on new KB.

Ted?
It seems that Roland styles only save EXPRESSION and not VOLUME for accomp tracks

Is there any way on Roland KB to change the mixing of the arr tracks and save it into the style?

If yes, can someone send me a style, then change volumes, save and send me the modified style?

DAN.,

VA-7 manual p171
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Expression (control change CC11) is a subsidiary volume
message that works relative to the volume (control
change CC07) message. Whenever you set
Expression to �127� the resulting part volume will be
equal to the value specified for Volume (CC07).
The Volume values of the Arranger parts can be set in
Mixer (see page 112) mode.

on VA-keyboards

you have inside style creator a mixerscreen for:
Expression, Panpot, Reverb, Chorus

you can even record the sliders when you move them(like motorized faders):

for MAJ or MIN or 7 independently of each other, or for all 3.
for Example:

MAJ=MIN=7th
MIN=MAJ=7th
7th=MAJ=MIN
7th=MIN=MAJ

and you can also record the slider for style parts independently of each other.

for example:

for INTRO panpot from L to R and for VARIATION1 panpot from R to L.

and you can also record those sliders for each style tracks separately.

you can also set everything what you may think on MICROEDIT(midi events).
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very, very long ago done al this on VA-76.

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on microedit you can set even 2 drumkits on the same time as layer for example basdrum from kit1 and snare from kit2
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on Roland VA- keyboards when you record a style

for example on ACC3 track you can record if you like Guitar1 for intro but on ACC3 for varaion1 can record if you like Guitar2

or ACC3 for MAJ on intro1 Guitar1 but ACC3 for MIN on VARIATION1 Guitar2

another example:

intro1= drumkit1, Variation1=drumkit2, fill=drumkit3, Ending=drumkit4

Yes but the mixer volumes are saved inside the style?

It seems that all you can do is change expression.

Also, I dont this that you can do for Variation 1, ACC3

Guitar1 on MAJ and PIANO1 on MIN

Hi Dan,
unfortunately I don't currently own any sort of Roland either,
wondering if EMC might be of any help?
I have Universal version. Roland style can be loaded and exported as a midifile. Would the resulting data be of any use?
Unfortunately EMC isn't 100% reliable, it does remove certain controllers. Let me know if I can be of any help.

My last Roland was a Va7, nearly 10 years ago, & my memory ain't what it used to be. haahaa

on my post this part is from manual:


DAN.,

VA-7 manual p171
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Expression (control change CC11) is a subsidiary volume
message that works relative to the volume (control
change CC07) message. Whenever you set
Expression to �127� the resulting part volume will be
equal to the value specified for Volume (CC07).
The Volume values of the Arranger parts can be set in
Mixer (see page 112) mode.

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other things you can read are just possibilities of Roland VA-series for styles and are all tested very very long time ago.

again:

you have inside style creator a mixerscreen for:
Expression, Panpot, Reverb, Chorus

you can even record the sliders when you move them(like motorized faders).

and yes they can be saved inside the style on VA-serie and i think you can do even more on G70 and E80.

on Roland MicroEdit you can do many things, So about your example of Guitar and Piano is certainly possible.

unfortunately I still have a persoanal zip disk but no zip drive (no longer Roland VA-76 any more for very very long time now, otherwise you could see examples).