Oh my how wrong ar you...


The moment i use the chord sequencer, i actually change the style intoo a static midi file (loop) as long as i want with set chords..

Now i can play a 2 hand piano performance on top of that style.

Since i can allways jump back to the style and using left hand for chord progression it adds to the freedom of the arranger. Tough i admit that its a feature only wanted by the pros, whihc is okay as the PA3X is an arranger build for performaers and pros and not so much for the home audience.

Bachus,

Perhaps I did a bad job of explaining myself, what I really met was this : Who are we trying to impress, ourselves or the audience, would the audience know what was going on, anyway Dennis says it's not a patch on the Roland and he's usually knows what he is talking about, so where do we go from hear,ear or here! Sell the Pa3x and buy a Roland, dam it Bachus, when will this all end.

Tony

The Korg CS, is okay, as in it works, but it IS "clunky" to set up "on the fly" as it were, which is essentially how one would use it . When actually playing a style live.

It requires a certain dexterity of button pushing, ie two buttons need to pushed simultaneously..if you miss the timing slightly, eg push one button a few milliseconds before the other, it does not start recording WHEN you need it to. Needing a second go.

The same can be said for the stopping of the recording and then having it switch to the "playback mode", if you do not press the same two buttons at precisely the same time the recording phase does not stop requiring a further "double" press.

Trust me when I say that this is exacerbated even further when you are in the middle of a 180bpm bebop tune, trying to not only play the song, sing the song, worry about chord changes and THEN try to set up what I consider to be a very "fiddly " process...maybe it can be achieved by solid practice of accessing the mode...

However if one manages to negotiate the starting and stopping of the recording phase, the actual playing back of the sequence, and subsequent stopping again needs the push of only one button...which is really how the recording phase should be too..

No, imho, in practical terms, the chord sequencer is really only "useable" BEFORE you start the style....ie load up your style and BEFORE starting to play set the CS to record then start your style...of course you are then limited to ONLY what chord progression you start the song with...in a lot of cases this works out to be the main head anyway, so no real problems.

I just think Korg could have implemented this a whole lot better, and it does strike me as a "late addition" rather than a full pre-planned tool.

The Roland CS, certainly was a lot easier to implement, PLUS it had the huge advantage of being able to save the CS to file, for a later performance of that same style/song.

I find the Chord Sequencer useful particularly in certain instrumentals, i.e. Sleepwalk, Steel Guitar Rag, Tuff, when it is helpful to have both hands available for bending notes and adding nuances.
You could do the same thing by pre-recording sequences, but then, unless you add markers, you are limited to the exact structure. Often when performing live, I want to extend a song or even end it quickly and the CS lends itself very well to that.
It's not an essential tool, but as I said, it is useful.
DonM

As long as you have a good singing voice and play the right stuff, the audience doesn't mind what and how the music is created. A friend of mine is earning lots of money gigging (well actually he can't play, but his interwebs copied midi files do the trick) but he has a good voice... and thats all they hear.


So who's going to use those features live ?

personally when i play at home, i just love those things...

Tony ... it is not a matter of impressing anyone ... as it was said, it is a matter of being able to play a sequence of chords and then having the arranger play it back for as long as the player wants so that the player can play two hand solos, use pitch bend or modulation wheels, or drink a Dewars and Shweppes Ginger Ale with the left hand without being concerned about the chord progression ... it could very well be a handy tool, even during live play ...

Hi Dennis,
Yep, it's a disappointment to learn that the Pa3X chord sequencer rec start/stop function requires having to press two separate buttons simultaneously & exactly at the same time.
That said, does the Pa3X support assigning the chord sequencer rec start/stop function to a foot pedal(s)?
If so, would this require allocating 'two' foot pedals, and having to press both pedals simultaneously too?
- Scott

Good Lord, anyone with two fingers and two eyes can press the two buttons together! My fingers are semi-arthritic and my eyes are brown because my brain is full of 68 years worth of accumulated doo-doo, and I can do it.
It doesn't have to be timed to the milli-second; the sequencer kicks in, or out, at the end of the current measure.
Don't buy the Korg for this reason alone, but "don't knock it if you haven't tried it!"
Crap, I can hit control-alt-delete together still.
Don't get me wrong, they COULD have made it easier.
It's harder sometimes to hit the shortcut button and, say Mic, to make on the fly adjustments, but I can usually do that too.
And a good thing is that you can do real time adjustments and save them while a song or style is running. Most arrangers won't multitask like this.
DonM

I thought of something else. The buttons are side-by-side. It's the same as hitting the plus and minus buttons together to set the default tempo or transpose values. You can do it, if you concentrate!

Err...I DID buy it and owned it!!! Thanks very much!! I took it back and went back to the PA2xpro..

Tell you what m8, you go and play a fast bebop tune, not the country yokel three chord wonders played at 120 bpm, and THEN try to get these buttons at the correct timing to get it to start recording correctly. You are OBVIOUSLY not a piano player!!! Or you only play auto chords using one finger!!

Yes it COULD be a handy tool, but Korg have made the implementation clunky.....

Don,I still haven't had the opportunity to check out the Pa3X and it's chord sequencer feature yet,
so it's reassuring to hear (ar least from your experience) that it's not as difficult to operate as Dennis (Miden) experienced.
Either way, It would seem a LOT easier (w/o requiring fingers) simply to trigger the chord seq via foot pedal(s) instead.
Assuming the Pa3X supports this, would it require one, or two foot pedals, and pressing 2 pedals at the same time?
Dennis, DonM, or anybody else. Anybody try this method? Thanks. Scott