Dennis , let me clarify again,,,the initial post is 100 percent Diki..I did not utter one word...followed by your comments...so you are totally wrong...again

Don, I wanted to mention...the Audya drums , bass and guitar excell, because they are audio loops played by professionals....if we compare the so called "midi" drums , bass, and guitar..they are average at best, and personally I think Roland drums outshine both the Ketron and Korg in this department...

I agree with you Nick, I can't make out what's what and who's who's , quote marks need to be added to Diki's works, let's face it anyone can quote the dead and then blame them.

Geez, all over a set of live drums??

Now let me see what did Winston Churchill say??? What can't speak can't lie...

Nick what are you playing now.

Tony

Here is one of Winston Chruchills.

" You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else. "

Definitely not my words!!! wouldn't dare

And here is one from Englishman Oscar Wilde

"To disagree with three-fourths of the British public is one of the first requisites of sanity."

Wow Nigel,

We are digging deep now, these are way before my time...hee suppose I started it, been in the knife drawer this morning.

Churchill did some absolute stormers, he loved the Yanks really, only because he needed them.


Tony

No re-READ your post and the bit I quoted...THAT is your personal comment...

I mean which part of this is not yours...even the IMO!!!

That litany of great arranger features above that Roland do not have is balanced by the fact that NONE of them (IMO) have anything NEAR as live a sound as the Roland's do.

And THAT'S what I was commenting on (that specific line as clearly indicated in my op) so perhaps it is YOU who is wrong again...

Dennis as Fran stated this line plus ALL the rest is entirely Diki's statement from another forum, not Fran's. You are welcome to comment on it but don't attribute the wording of it to anyone other than Diki the author. Here is the the original post including the line you said was Fran's http://www.roland-arranger.com/smf/index.php?topic=1732.msg9909#msg9909

Though it would have clearer this was the case if Fran had just posted the link rather than cut and paste the posting.

If you want to comment on the original posting address your comments to Diki. He is able to post on this thread if he wishes to.

OMG! Mine is better than yours (again).

Just to get this topic back on point....

Live Sound is only ONE of many criteria to measure the value of a keyboard to a performer. You have to weigh all the other attributes of the board such as realism of sounds, style support, ease of use, ergonomics, hardware support, reliability, extensibility, playability, expansion capability, etc. This is essential, especially for this price range of $3,000 - $4,000.00 investment.

If you are going to commit to a keyboard, don't you want to ensure it will satisfy the "BULK" of your attributes for a long time so you can recoup your investment? Having a keyboard that is not supported or having a very small public domain support network is a big negative to one of those key attributes. Some of those attributes can be tweaked, enhanced, etc. to add greater range of acceptability.

Take the "Live" vs "CD" issue. You can adjust a keyboard's presence by +/-20% by adjusting EQ, changing instruments, compression, etc. That can overcome any shortcomings.

What about voices, will a keyboard allow you to adjust the quality or realism of voices +20% to adjust for poor realism by adding 3rd party samples, adjusting voice parameters like ADSR, resonance, DNC, Mega, etc?

The point I'm trying to make is; you have to measure the board as a whole; from the viability of the Manufacturer to the support network, to the live sound and then balance that with your pocketbook and your needs as a musician. This is how you should be purchasing a keyboard.