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#346465 - 07/05/12 06:14 PM
Re: I'll try one more time
[Re: brickboo]
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Edited by Dnj (07/05/12 08:36 PM)
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#346473 - 07/05/12 10:29 PM
Re: I'll try one more time
[Re: brickboo]
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Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 2071
Loc: Fruita, Colorado, USA
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Donny,
All over the WEB you can hear lots of Saxophonist play like that. They are "Rockers," "Jazz Fusion," players.
It's hard to find someone that sounds like Dexter, Rollins, Coltrane, Sanborn and a few others. These guys were one of a kind. Everyone who wants to play like them can't.
Everyone who wants to play like the rockers can. There's a lot of the same notes played with different articulation, honking, tricks etc. It's easier to copy. No insult meant.
The Jazzers are a different ballgame. The licks are much more complicated and very difficult to sing back than the honking of the same note played over and over. Kind of like comparing Santos, and the guitar note benders with a Howard Roberts style guitar player.
Everyone enjoys the honkers. I do too. 95% to 99% of America likes country music the best. That's why Country singers sell more recordings than the Rockers, Jazzers and so, so musicians all put together. Ha ha! There's no doubt about that.
I guess in essence as I've said before a bunch of times, many Sax players can honk. Some of the honkers would like to play like the Jazzers but can't.
Even if some of us could live to 1000 years old, we couldn't do what the real Jazzers do. We just have to face it, some people are just geniuses at their craft. Einstein was a genius in his field, but he could not play Jazz Saxophone that I've ever heard of. Ha, ha! I'm getting closer to being a genius every day at Suduko. Another 100 years and I might make it.
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#346503 - 07/06/12 08:38 PM
Re: I'll try one more time
[Re: brickboo]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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Boo, you seem to favor the true 'Bop' pioneers, which makes me surprised that David Sanborn would be one of your favorites. Although I love David Sanborn, I wouldn't think of lumping him in with say, Dexter Gordon. I mean, different styles, different eras, different genre's (except for the general heading of 'jazz').
Out of curiosity, where do you put or rank Julian 'Cannonball' Adderly? Some of the most popular Miles stuff was when he was with Miles. Of course, this was during that very unique period of so-called "Cool Jazz" (as personified by Miles Davis. Some people loved it, some purist had mixed feelings about it. How about you? I think Cannonball suffered from constantly being compared to Bird, but to ME, although a great player, he was no Charlie Parker. Interested in your thoughts.
chas
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#346507 - 07/06/12 10:30 PM
Re: I'll try one more time
[Re: cgiles]
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Registered: 02/04/01
Posts: 2071
Loc: Fruita, Colorado, USA
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Boo, you seem to favor the true 'Bop' pioneers, which makes me surprised that David Sanborn would be one of your favorites. Although I love David Sanborn, I wouldn't think of lumping him in with say, Dexter Gordon. I mean, different styles, different eras, different genre's (except for the general heading of 'jazz').
Out of curiosity, where do you put or rank Julian 'Cannonball' Adderly? Some of the most popular Miles stuff was when he was with Miles. Of course, this was during that very unique period of so-called "Cool Jazz" (as personified by Miles Davis. Some people loved it, some purist had mixed feelings about it. How about you? I think Cannonball suffered from constantly being compared to Bird, but to ME, although a great player, he was no Charlie Parker. Interested in your thoughts.
chas Chas, Adderley was great, He was super clean. It's hard to compare anyone with the "BIRD." His stuff was recorded live I think with a $2 recorder. It's sad that it's so hard to get a good clear sounding recording with the "BIRD." I like when Charley said," I really got to bopping when I figured out that I could start a solo on any note no matter what key the tune was in", or something to that affect. I thought that was cool. No body plays with more soul then Sanborn, not even "Hank Crawford" who plays that knockout intro for Ray Charles on "The Night Time Is The Right Time," back in 1958. Ck it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ro_5XyfWdsChas anyone that can really play well I truly enjoy. I think I said before that I prefer Tenor, and that alto I can't listen to as long. I can listen to Sanborn play ballads all night. He does "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes and others on his album "Pearl." I went to a concert Sanborn did here a few years back and I hated him. He didn't play one of those terrific ballads he does. He played that fusion stuff that does nothing to me, and neither does Smooth Jazz. I don't flip over it either. I really enjoy that Funk organist that you posted. We tried to play that stuff back in the 50's 60's 70's. We just didn't do it as well as he and he alto and guitar buddies do it. Man they are a bunch of Jazz Funk Students from somewhere. Definitely not self taught. There I've Said It Again. Chas I'm similar to you and Russ. If it's good, I'm going to listen and see if I can learn something. I'm burned out on tunes with just 25 chords. Ha ha. I heard a tenor man in New Orleans soloing for 1000 choruses or more one night. I didn't think the sax had that many notes. It sounded like he didn't play the same note twice. He was known as "The Skull." He shaved his head before Kojak. My trombone buddy who had 9 years experience on me ask me what "The Skull" was playing. I found out when he returned to the melody after the piano player and bass player played 1000 choruses too. It was "When The Saints Go Marching In." Ha ha! Chas if I didn't explain it the way I should have, ask again in an email. I think I'm boring everyone here to death. Lol!
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#346674 - 07/09/12 04:08 PM
Re: I'll try one more time
[Re: brickboo]
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Registered: 01/01/09
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Fran, thanks for putting up that track with Crawford and McGriff - I hadn't heard that one before. Superb. I'm going to have to do some more digging, because I'm sure Crawford did an album with McDuff and it's going to drive me nuts, now.
Boo, thanks to you also, for the Ray Charles tracks. I never caught on to Ray Charles until after his first monster hit in the UK, What'd I Say (I was about 14 at the time). All the groups were doing those things, What'd I Say, I Gotta Woman, Let the Good Times Roll etc. - great days. So anyway, when I went looking, I found some of his earlier jazz stuff. I was surprised (don't know why) and delighted at the same time.
Thanks again, guys.
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