Coming up for PA3X, everything that you hear below, just one example:

http://soundcloud.com/basaristudios/korg-kronos-heavy-metal-rock

Any comments or criticism?

Nedim....it sounds awesome WOW!!!! now that's the way drums should sound on a KB.......thanx for sharing loved every minute of it.. Korg is AMAZING!

Never thought I would Nedim but got to agree with Donny, what about the MS...

Lol Tony...hahahaha...i cant even move around cuz of you without asking me about the MS.

Thank You both.

Is the Media Station considered a defeated lost cause like so many others now, or is it still in full production? or has korg Kronos obliterated all takers in the Synth world..?

Spot on "mi old ship mate", MS looks like its dead in the water

Sounds excellent, Nedim. The guitars, especially, are awesome!

So, this will eventually be available on the Korg PA3X...any idea when?

Ian

PS...I see you play the MS in an unusual position...does it help make it sound better?

There are a couple things the MS does that are second to none...The interface and control, when using VST's and Giga samples are unbeatable...it is near zero latency and you can not tell the sound and keys are not connected as the Kronos etc..

In fact I have found it impossible to get the same quality results with a laptop (even my high end laptop) and any combination of controller keyboards I have used ..15ms seems to be the best latency I have found..

The MS loaded with my 1 gig Steinway B giga sample and the Native Instruments B4 ( with the Lionstracs B4 interface) are unmatched by any other piano and organ sounds to date...

Just this capability is enough for me to use the MS...

Add the best Media player with an interface that can not be match anywhere.....you have a quality winner...

I don't know where Domenic will be going with the future support..but with the OS and hardware I currently use...it is working to perfection, and covering the needs I want...

The MS design is such that it has enough in common with Lionstracs new line up...so the update OS will continue...


For me...I do not need any updates to correct any present problems...It did take a few years to get to this point...but I am pleased...Organ, Piano, and Media player..it serves it's purpose..

I'm guessing Fran, but you have the 76-note Mediastation (as in Nedim's picture above)?

Latency is a real issue with most VST's and controller keyboards, plus some keyboards/workstations as well...are you saying you found the Kronos has some latency?

With the B4 interface, are you able to assign Mediastation sliders to control all nine drawbars? That would be cool.

Also, how does the MS's semi-weighted action work for both piano sounds and organ sounds...on par with the way your G-70 handles them?

In other words, is it a good compromise for both?

Ian

The most that's every been written in peace time above for the MS, pity the same can't be said for playing it. man and machine in perfect harmony... or is it... thats why they sold so many, or only bought by the choosen few

Nidem,

As the oil not run out of the MS in that position... at least the Kronos gets played. If you are not using the MS why don't you let Dony borrow it for a short while, hell SZ will be back to it's old self, on fire.

Hey Ian, yes,, Drums, Rhytam/Power Guitars and Lead will be all for the PA3X,
it will be few different of each...maybe next 2 months i guess. It wont be all
Heavy Metal or Hard Rock, it will be lighter stuff too.

Ian ..No I am not saying anything negative about the Kronos..I have hardly played it, although I do think Korg loaded some engines that were never any good from the beginning...Just being able to use these in combination with each other...doesn't impress me..

The Media Station has default settings when the B4 is selected all the panel controls (sliders etc) function with B4 automatically.

Back to the Kronos...if you used the Kronos as a controller (USB), with a laptop as I stated earlier..you would have the same latency results I have mentioned (around 15 ms at best without artifacts)..

The Keybed is excellent on the MS, and there are detail settings for velocities across the board if you desire to set it up..It works great with piano (I have the 76 semi weighted keybed)..and the B4 default works great with organ..
The keybed is on par with the G70...

HI Nedim

Not bad at all, however you definitely need to work on the solo guitar sound, as it sounds like a synth rather than a guitar.

Look forward to more tunes in the future

Bill

Nedim, I was wondering ..who bought the other X-76

Now Tony knows the score

Regarding latency with a laptop, you need an external interface with quality ASIO drivers to get rid of latency.

http://www.usb-audio.com/

Bill

Fran, i think Tony has one (the other one) but he just dont want to...hypocrit...LOLZ.

Nedim,

I know a scam when I see one, I nearly feel into the trap and bought one, glad I didn't, the Audya was bad enough, here in the UK we don't part with our money that easily. Have you thought about lending it to Donny????

It's taken two years and at last Frans has typed my name.... I'm on top of the World

Tony after playing Fran's MS I definitly don't need one....

Bill, I do use a Edirol audio interface with advanced driver option....it is manageable , but not near the zero latency of the MS...I don't understand how Dom got it at zero, but it works great..

What about your Wersi...does it handle VST's near zero latency?

Tony...Tony...TONY!!!! The MediaStation requires someone with patience and a broad understanding of computers......Now we know there are not many here on Synth Zone with those credentials...especially Mr Impatient Donny...

Now get off that globe before you fall and break your neck....

Nedim....outstanding sound! Is this a preview of the PA3x update that's due out around now?

Also...how are the multiple melody notes being performed at :27 (the 2nd half of the Miserlou song)? Is it the player or the machine doing it?

Donny mi old ship mate,

That's just what I wanted to hear, then you must have been the old person to play it, cause he doesn't ... not that we have heard... I think it was all hype, it was never going anywhere. Glad I saw the light, the Italians have had all the money there are having out of me with the Audya, they only make good wine now and California caught up a long time ago!!!

Hi Fran

No discernible latency with the Wersi providing you keep within the CPU capabilities, (As with any computer) also the main sound engine used by Wersi is a VST, (Specifically Steinberg’s Hypersonic VST) and is fully optimised with the OS (Win XP for OAS 7 and Windows 7 for Pegasus Wing) to give the best performance possible.

OAS 7 instruments also have a separate DSP card (Which is what the ASIO driver uses) to allow full compatibility with the previous versions of OAS sounds etc. as well as some of the processing for OAS 7. (Pegasus Wing uses a USB ASIO driver that works with the custom Wersi interface board inside)

I am surprised you are having this much problem with latency on your laptop (Unless you’re using the unmitigated disaster known as Windows Vista of course) as my Win 7 machine with its on-board chipset can easily achieve 7ms using ASIO4All, so latency using a quality interface and driver is pretty much a non-entity.

Just make sure you have the latest driver and ASIO drivers for your interface, as this can make a big difference.

Hope this helps

Bill

Bill I do use Vista...and asio4all.. on my laptop...I have the same results with another laptop running XP and asio4all..(this is an older Compaq and not as powerful as my Toshiba running Vista)..

They are not performing badly...but noticeble while I play and feel the connection to the key response....just enough to annoy me, especially when I play the MS with better results...I always thought it to be a Windows problem...MS runs Linux..

Hi Fran

ASIO4All is a general purpose driver for sound cards (Interfaces) that don’t have their own dedicated ASIO drivers, (Normally consumer quality cards) however if you get a pro card (Interface) it will have its own dedicated ASIO drivers, and you will find the latency problems will disappear. (Even Vista should be noticeably improved)

Check to see if there are any dedicated ASIO drivers for you interface, if not then you will probably have to buy a new interface that does have its own ASIO drivers.

NOTE: ASIO drivers bypass all the Windows systems and allow the software to access the sound card/interface directly; hence the reason dedicated ones will outdo ASIO4All.

Bill

Bill I do use the advanced Edirol driver with my Edirol interface...it does out perform Asio4all..

Bill, I looked close in my MixCraft5 (my wrapper)preference window....besides selecting my Edirol driver, I noticed an unchecked box...stating for under 20 ms..check Exclusive mode...low and behold I achieved latency of 3 ms...I am a happy camper...Even the BK5 value increased as a light controlling keyboard for the laptop...

I will experiment a bit more with Forte (wrapper) and see if I can get the same success....though Mixcraft5 is my go to choice...

Hey Mark, thanks...no man, Korg wouldnt do something like this, it is a Set i am working on.
The Tremolo Playing after 21 is real playing not the machine performing, it is another layer
on the Solo Guitar, there is also the Mutes, Scream and other Articulations Sampled.
What i mean is, the machine is performing of course but not some kind of effect but real
Tremolo has been Sampled and you play it the way you like it.

And guys, lets be real...no PC based machine or PC can perform at 0 latency,
i challenge everyone to prove me wrong on this. The best i achieved is working
on 64 Buffer Size and there is still Latency to it...i am talking about a custom
built Monster PC and high end Audio Cards, not using Asio4All but using their
own Asio Drivers.

Nedim, of course you are correct...I try to type "near zero" and noticed I skipped the word near once in my post...

I believe the MS can get down lower than 3 ms...

If I recall Hardware instruments like the Fatom, Triton and Motif operate 5-7 ms at best with a single tone...

Yes Fran you are right about the Hardware Synths...and the MS can really get low on Latency too, i gotta give that.